Is There Such a Thing as DeRham Homology?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of DeRham homology, particularly in relation to DeRham cohomology and other homology theories such as Cech homology. Participants explore whether a formal theory of DeRham homology exists and its potential connections to existing homological frameworks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that DeRham cohomology is well-established, but question whether DeRham homology exists as a formal theory.
  • One participant mentions that there is a pairing between homology and cohomology, suggesting a possible connection between the two, but emphasizes the lack of a formal DeRham homology theory.
  • Another participant introduces Cech homology, acknowledging its existence but clarifying that it does not satisfy all properties of a homology theory according to the Eilenberg-Steenrod axioms.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between simplicial homology and DeRham cohomology, suggesting that they may be isomorphic.
  • There is mention of the need for a smooth triangulation of the manifold to relate to DeRham cohomology, with some uncertainty expressed about the precise conditions required.
  • One participant speculates that a theorem might allow for the representation of homology classes by embedded submanifolds, potentially leading to a notion of DeRham homology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of DeRham homology. Multiple competing views are presented regarding its formal status and connections to other homology theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the precise conditions under which certain relationships hold, particularly regarding triangulations and the representation of homology classes.

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Hi, I hope this is not too ignorant, but my Algebraic Topology is rusty:

Is there such a thing as DeRham _homology_? I always hear and read about

DeRham cohomology, but I have never heard of DeRham homology. Is there

such a thing?
 
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DeRahm cohomology is all to do with the cohomology of differential forms, you set up your Meyer-Veotoris sequence via the exterior derivative. There is alway a pairing between homology and cohomology, so I guess that there is that but there is no formal theory called DeRahm homology as far as I am aware.
 
Why stop there with the (good) question? How about Cech homology?
 
Cech homology exists, but it is not a homology theory in the sense of the Eilenberg-Steenrod axioms. The little book by Hocking and Young talks a bit about it.
 
hunt_mat said:
DeRahm cohomology is all to do with the cohomology of differential forms, you set up your Meyer-Veotoris sequence via the exterior derivative. There is alway a pairing between homology and cohomology, so I guess that there is that but there is no formal theory called DeRahm homology as far as I am aware.

The connection of the De Rham cochain complex to cohomology with real coefficiants is Stokes theorem. So the duality is through the isomorphism with real cohomology.
 
Hmm, this is an interesting question and is applicable to something I have been thinking about. Apparently there is a notion of Cech homology- but it doesn't satisfy all of the properties you'd like (mainly, it doesn't do well with giving you sequences which should be exact). However, it can be altered, to a thing called (I think) strong homology, which does give a well behaved homology theory and for which cech cohomology is the dual theory.
 
We have the homology of simplixes (was it called simplical homology?) whose cohomology is precisely isomorphic to deRham cohomology I believe (you can show that each linear functional on the free group of simplices is precisely integration by some form of appropriate degree)
 
Sina said:
We have the homology of simplixes (was it called simplical homology?) whose cohomology is precisely isomorphic to deRham cohomology I believe (you can show that each linear functional on the free group of simplices is precisely integration by some form of appropriate degree)

Smooth simplexes
 
erm yes smooth it should be to relate it to some triangulation of the manifold. I was a bit unclear sorry, I think it should be a triangulation of the smooth manifold whose deRham cohomology you want to dualize. I never proved this so I am a bit unsure about the precise conditions.
 
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Sina said:
erm yes smooth it should be to relate it to some triangulation of the manifold. I was a bit unclear sorry, I think it should be a triangulation of the smooth manifold whose deRham cohomology you want to dualize. I never proved this so I am a bit unsure about the precise conditions.

It should be a smooth triangulation of the manifold.
 
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I think there is a theorem which says that any real (maybe Z/2Z) homology class of a smooth manifold can be represented by an embedded submanifold. I will check it. If this is true, then embedded submanifolds might give you a de Rham homology. This is just an impression. Let's think it through.
 

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