Is There Summer Ice at the North Pole?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the presence of summer ice at the North Pole, exploring whether the region has been ice-free in recent years and what predictions exist for future summers. Participants examine historical data, current observations, and the implications of climate change on Arctic ice conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the existence of summer ice at the North Pole in recent years and whether predictions indicate it will be ice-free in the future.
  • One participant asserts that the North Pole is never completely ice-free, although the margins of the ice-cap are receding.
  • Another participant notes that while the North Pole has always had pack ice since 1979, transient leads (open water) can appear within the ice pack.
  • There is mention of record low summer Arctic ice area in recent years, with the lowest recorded extent occurring in 2007, but uncertainty remains regarding reliable year-to-year predictions.
  • One participant provides details on the variability of ice thickness and extent, emphasizing that summer ice cover can fluctuate significantly due to weather and climate conditions.
  • Participants share links to satellite data and maps that illustrate changes in ice cover over time.
  • Some posts include light-hearted comments about summer trips to the North Pole, with one participant humorously noting the absence of penguins in the Arctic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent and predictability of summer ice at the North Pole. While some assert that summer ice does exist, others highlight the uncertainty and variability in ice conditions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on satellite data for observations, the variability of ice conditions influenced by climate factors, and the challenges in making reliable predictions about future ice extent.

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I'm trying to find information on whether there has been summer ice at the North Pole the last few years. I've found a couple old articles that indicate scientists predicted no summer ice. Did this in fact happen and is it predicted again for this coming summer? Does that mean the North Pole is open water in summer?
 
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The pole is never ice-free, though the margins of the ice-cap are progressively receding.
 
To date, the North Pole has always had pack ice since satellite observations began in 1979, but leads (open water) can occur almost anywhere in the ice pack. These are local and transient. You can see satellite data on the polar ice caps (updated daily) at:

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/.

EDIT: As far as predictions go, recent years have seen record lows in the minimum summer Arctic ice area, the record being set in 2007. I don't think specific year to year reliable predictions are possible as to the actual future extent of the summer pack ice.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-09-11/tech/arctic.ice.cover_1_sea-ice-national-snow-mark-serreze?_s=PM:TECH
 
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Yes there is summer ice. Under this paragraph, you will see the map for summer, it is the September map which reflects the entire summer's melting. There are additional yearly maps farther down.

Ice thickness, its spatial extent, and the fraction of open water within the ice pack can vary rapidly and profoundly in response to weather and climate. Sea ice typically covers about 14 to 16 million square kilometers in late winter in the Arctic and 17 to 20 million square kilometers in the Antarctic Southern Ocean. On average, the seasonal decrease is much larger in the Antarctic, with only about 3 to 4 million square kilometers remaining at summer's end, compared to approximately 7 million square kilometers in the Arctic. Over the past several years, Arctic minima have been only 4 to 6 million square kilometers. These maps provide examples of late winter and late summer ice cover in the two hemispheres.

http://nsidc.org/sotc/sea_ice.html
 
Thanks for that link ! I lost it some months ago during an over-aggressive culling of 'favourites'...
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
I'm trying to find information on whether there has been summer ice at the North Pole

Already planning Summer trip?
 
Borek said:
Already planning Summer trip?
Yay! Hopefully not expecting penguins. :smile:
 

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