Is this a good alternative definition of electron affinity?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of electron affinity, specifically evaluating a proposed alternative definition that focuses on stability rather than energy released. Participants explore the implications of this alternative definition and its adequacy in capturing the concept of electron affinity.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a traditional definition of electron affinity as the energy released when an element in gas form gains an electron, and proposes an alternative definition based on the stability gained by the element.
  • Another participant argues that the second definition is insufficient, emphasizing that electron affinity is a precise numerical quantity related to energy released per mole when gaining an electron.
  • This participant also notes the importance of distinguishing between electron affinity and the enthalpy change of electron capture ionization, highlighting that they represent different concepts.
  • A later reply acknowledges the trend of increased stability upon gaining an electron but agrees that precise measurements are necessary for a better definition, expressing appreciation for the clarification.
  • Another participant points out that electron affinity specifically refers to an atom and critiques the use of "stability" as a vague concept, questioning its equivalence to energy and providing an example involving the second electron affinity of oxygen.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of the proposed alternative definition of electron affinity, with some agreeing on the importance of precision while others challenge the clarity and applicability of the concept of stability in this context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the adequacy of the alternative definition.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for precision in definitions and the potential ambiguity in terms like "stability." There are also references to specific cases, such as the second electron affinity of oxygen, which illustrate complexities in the concept that are not fully addressed by the proposed definitions.

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electron affinity (traditional definition): the amount of energy released by an element in its gas form when gaining an electron

second definition?: the stability gained by an element in its gas form when gaining an electron

Is this a correct definition?
traditional definition of electron affinity: the amount of energy released by an element in its gas form when gaining an electron

second definition?: the stability gained by an element in its gas form when gaining an electron (e.g. halogens are more stable after gaining an electron, and when gaining an electron, the system [i.e. electron + atom] loses energy, thus becoming more stable)

reasoning: losing energy is highly associated with gaining stability (I think they are two sides of the same thermodynamic concept)

Is this an acceptable alternative definition? From a distance it looks okay, but I am often wrong about such things.
 
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I'm by no means an authority, however I wouldn't say the second definition is sufficient.

The electron affinity, ##E_{ea}##, is a numerical quantity - the energy released per mole on gaining an electron. As such, the definition must be precise.

Granted, the atom-electron system becomes more energetically stable after the first electron affinity. But this is more of a consequence, and not the definition of ##E_{ea}##.

As an aside, it might be worthwhile to make the distinction between ##E_{ea}## and the enthalpy change of electron capture ionisation. ##E_{ea}## is the energy released, whilst the enthalpy change is a change in the total energy. Assuming constant pressure and volume, ##\Delta H_{ea} = - E_{ea}##.
 
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etotheipi said:
I'm by no means an authority, however I wouldn't say the second definition is sufficient.

The electron affinity, ##E_{ea}##, is a numerical quantity - the energy released per mole on gaining an electron. As such, the definition must be precise.

Granted, the atom-electron system becomes more energetically stable after the first electron affinity. But this is more of a consequence, and not the definition of ##E_{ea}##.

As an aside, it might be worthwhile to make the distinction between ##E_{ea}## and the enthalpy change of electron capture ionisation. ##E_{ea}## is the energy released, whilst the enthalpy change is a change in the total energy. Assuming constant pressure and volume, ##\Delta H_{ea} = - E_{ea}##.
Interesting. I think I agree with you; the trend of increasing the system's stability upon gaining an electron does exist, but it is much more difficult to measure; the more precise measurement makes for a better definition. I am glad that the trend actually exists, as it does help my understanding of the concept.
Thanks for your input!
 
First, to be pedantic, the electron affinity refers to an atom of the element. E.g. the electron affinity of chlorine relates to the reaction Cl(g) + e → Cl-(g). Talking of "an element in its gas form" might suggest the participation of Cl2(g).

Second, "stability" is a woolly concept, by no means equivalent to the negative of energy. You always have to ask: stability with respect to what?
For instance, the second electron affinity of oxygen is negative; that is, O2- is unstable relative to O- + e in the gas phase. Yet we can form many oxides, containing the O2- ion and not O-. This is because the extra energy put into create O2- is more than compensated for by the lattice energy of the ionic solid containing O2-, so the overall process is favourable.
 
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