Is This a Valid Proof by Contradiction for Set Theory?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of a proof by contradiction in set theory, specifically addressing the assertion that \( A \cap B = \{\} \) if and only if \( A \subseteq B^c \). Participants explore different proof methods, including indirect (contradiction) and direct approaches, while considering the clarity and rigor of their arguments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof by contradiction, suggesting that if \( A \cap B \neq \{\} \), then there exists an element \( x \) in both \( A \) and \( B \), leading to a contradiction if \( A \subseteq B^c \).
  • Another participant agrees with the validity of the proof but suggests improvements for clarity, emphasizing the importance of stating assumptions clearly.
  • A different participant argues for the preference of direct proofs over indirect methods, stating that direct proofs are generally more economical.
  • Several participants attempt to construct direct proofs, expressing their reasoning through a series of biconditionals and questioning whether their formulations align with the intended definitions.
  • One participant highlights the significance of definitions and logical identities in constructing proofs, while also acknowledging the need for clarity in notation.

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Participants express differing opinions on the preferred method of proof (indirect vs. direct), and while some agree on the validity of the initial proof by contradiction, there is no consensus on the best approach to take. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal proof strategy.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of definitions and logical identities in proofs, but there are unresolved issues regarding the clarity of notation and the completeness of the proofs presented.

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Hi. I am new to formal proofs. Is the following a legitimate method for proving this assertion by contradiction.

Show A\cap B = \{\} \Leftrightarrow A \subseteq B^c

If A\cap B \neq \{\} then \exists \ x \ ST \ x \in A \ AND \ x \in B

Since x \in A \ \ \ A \subseteq B^c \Rightarrow x \in B^c

\Rightarrow x \in U \ AND \ x \notin B

This is a contradiction and thus no such x exists and therefore

A\cap B = \{\} \Leftarrow A \subseteq B^c

is this half the proof?
 
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Yes, that proof is valid, but it could be cleaned up a bit.

Either you should state that you are assuming A \subseteq B^c at the beginning of the proof, or simply directly show the contrapositive (which is what you've done - no contradiction there).

I would write it as follows:

Assume A \subseteq B^c.
Now suppose A\cap B \neq \{\}. Then there is an x such that x \in A and x \in B.
But, by our assumption, x \in A implies x \in B^c, which implies x \notin B. This is a contradiction, so our supposition must be in error. Therefore, A\cap B = \{\} \Leftarrow A \subseteq B^c
 
In your problem, I think the most economical proof is direct, and carried out through a chain of biconditionals.
Anytime you have a choice between direct proof and any of the indirect methods, the direct method should be taken (unless of course it turns into a nightmare).
 
Here is a go at a direct proof:

A\cap B = \{\} \Leftrightarrow \forall x \in U \ \ x \notin A\cap B
\Leftrightarrow x \in (A\cap B)^c
\Leftrightarrow x \in A^c\cup B^c
Now suppose x \in A then x \in B^c and
\Leftrightarrow A \subseteq B^c

is this correct? is this what you meant by bidirectional fopc?
 
pwhitey86 said:
Here is a go at a direct proof:

A\cap B = \{\} \Leftrightarrow \forall x \in U \ \ x \notin A\cap B
\Leftrightarrow x \in (A\cap B)^c
\Leftrightarrow x \in A^c\cup B^c
Now suppose x \in A then x \in B^c and
\Leftrightarrow A \subseteq B^c

is this correct? is this what you meant by bidirectional fopc?


A complete chain of biconditionals in a proof makes the proof "bidirectional".

Remember these proofs are all about definition. Use the definitons immediately.

Below is an informal derivation that follows what I've tried to say about the importance of definitions.
Sorry about notation, but I haven't found time to learn tex stuff.

Let (x) denote "given any x in U", where U is domain of discussion. ~ denotes "not".
-> denotes "only if". ' denotes set complement. <-> denotes "if and only if".

[A intersect B = {}] <->
(x)[~(x in A and x in B)] <->
(x)[~(x in A) or ~(x in B)] <->
(x)[x in A -> ~(x in B)] <->
[A subset of B'].

Edit: (correction to poorly worded remarks)
Certainly, definitions are important and must be used, but equally important are the "identities" of the (presupposed) underlying logic.
 
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