Is this differential equation exact?

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The discussion revolves around identifying the nature of a specific differential equation, $$1 + \frac{1+x}{y}\frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$, in terms of its classification as linear, separable, exact, or a combination of these types. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the equation can be considered exact and the implications of rearranging it.

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  • Participants discuss the initial form of the differential equation and its rearrangement to check for exactness. There are conflicting interpretations regarding the compatibility condition and whether the equation can be classified as exact based on different representations. Questions arise about the validity of the statement that all separable equations are exact.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of integrating factors to achieve exactness, but there is no consensus on the broader implications of the separability and exactness of the differential equation.

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Participants note the conflicting answers received from instructors regarding the exactness of the differential equation, highlighting the complexity of the topic and the need for clarity on definitions and conditions.

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Homework Statement



Identify the following differential equation as linear, separable, exact, or a combination of the three.
$$1 + \frac{1+x}{y}\frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$

Homework Equations



Start with ##F(x,y)=C##

##\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}(F(x,y)) = \frac{d}{dx} (C)##

##\displaystyle \frac{\partial F}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dx}= 0##

##\displaystyle M(x,y) = \frac{\partial F}{\partial x} ##

##\displaystyle N(x,y) = \frac{\partial F}{\partial y} ##

##\displaystyle M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy = 0##

The Attempt at a Solution



It is easy to show that the differential equation is both separable and linear by simply rearranging the equation:

<br /> \implies (1+x)\frac{dy}{dx} + y = 0<br /> \\<br /> \implies \frac{1}{y}dy = \frac{-1}{1+x}dx<br />

The problem arises when checking whether or not the DE is exact. My prof and my lab instructor both gave conflicting answers.

One on hand, if you take the differential equation in its original form, ##\displaystyle M(x,y) = 1## and ##\displaystyle N(x,y) = \frac{1+x}{y}##. Then it is obvious from testing the compatibility condition (i.e. ##\displaystyle \frac{\partial M}{dy}(x,y) = \frac{\partial N}{dx}(x,y)##) that the given DE is not exact.

On the other hand, you can rearrange the DE to get ##\displaystyle \frac{1}{1+x}dx+\frac{1}{y}dy = 0##. Then, if you let ##\displaystyle M(x,y)=\frac{1}{1+x}## and ##\displaystyle N(x,y)=\frac{1}{y}##, it is clear that ##\displaystyle \frac{\partial M}{dy} = \frac{\partial N}{dx} = 0##. Now the compatibility condition is met which implies the DE is exact (a result of the statement that a separable DE is always exact).

So which of these approaches are correct? A given DE is exact If and only if the compatibility condition holds.

A more general question of my problem would be: If you're given an equation ##\displaystyle M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy = 0## where the compatibility condition fails but its separable so ##\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx} = A(x)B(y) \implies A(x)dx - \frac{dy}{B(x)} = 0## which is exact we would say that ##\displaystyle A(x)dx - \frac{dy}{B(x)} = 0## is exact. Do we also say that ##\displaystyle M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy = 0## is exact (even though initially, the compatibility condition did not hold at first)?
 
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whoareyou said:

Homework Statement



Identify the following differential equation as linear, separable, exact, or a combination of the three.
$$1 + \frac{1+x}{y}\frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$

Homework Equations



Start with ##F(x,y)=C##

##\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}(F(x,y)) = \frac{d}{dx} (C)##

##\displaystyle \frac{\partial F}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dx}= 0##

##\displaystyle M(x,y) = \frac{\partial F}{\partial x} ##

##\displaystyle N(x,y) = \frac{\partial F}{\partial y} ##

##\displaystyle M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy = 0##

The Attempt at a Solution



It is easy to show that the differential equation is both separable and linear by simply rearranging the equation:

<br /> \implies (1+x)\frac{dy}{dx} + y = 0<br /> \\<br /> \implies \frac{1}{y}dy = \frac{-1}{1+x}dx<br />

The problem arises when checking whether or not the DE is exact. My prof and my lab instructor both gave conflicting answers.

One on hand, if you take the differential equation in its original form, ##\displaystyle M(x,y) = 1## and ##\displaystyle N(x,y) = \frac{1+x}{y}##. Then it is obvious from testing the compatibility condition (i.e. ##\displaystyle \frac{\partial M}{dy}(x,y) = \frac{\partial N}{dx}(x,y)##) that the given DE is not exact.

On the other hand, you can rearrange the DE to get ##\displaystyle \frac{1}{1+x}dx+\frac{1}{y}dy = 0##. Then, if you let ##\displaystyle M(x,y)=\frac{1}{1+x}## and ##\displaystyle N(x,y)=\frac{1}{y}##, it is clear that ##\displaystyle \frac{\partial M}{dy} = \frac{\partial N}{dx} = 0##. Now the compatibility condition is met which implies the DE is exact (a result of the statement that a separable DE is always exact).

So which of these approaches are correct? A given DE is exact If and only if the compatibility condition holds.

A more general question of my problem would be: If you're given an equation ##\displaystyle M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy = 0## where the compatibility condition fails but its separable so ##\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx} = A(x)B(y) \implies A(x)dx - \frac{dy}{B(x)} = 0## which is exact we would say that ##\displaystyle A(x)dx - \frac{dy}{B(x)} = 0## is exact. Do we also say that ##\displaystyle M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy = 0## is exact (even though initially, the compatibility condition did not hold at first)?

Well, no. The equation as it stands is not exact. What you did to make it exact is called multiplying by an "integrating factor".
 
Dick said:
Well, no. The equation as it stands is not exact. What you did to make it exact is called multiplying by an "integrating factor".

So then the statement "all separable equations are exact" is not true?
 
whoareyou said:
So then the statement "all separable equations are exact" is not true?

That's what I would say. On the other hand they have a pretty obvious integrating factor.
 
In general, the integrating factor you multiply the linear ODE by is ## e^\int \frac{M_y - N_x}{N}dx ## or ## e^\int \frac{N_x - M_y}{M}dy ## to make an inexact linear ODE exact, where ## M_y = \frac{\partial M_(x,y)}{\partial y} ## and ## N_x = \frac{\partial N_(x,y)}{\partial x} ##. So if you REALLY wanted the given DE to be linear, separable and exact, you could! However, as it is currently it is most definitely not exact.
 

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