Is this even scientifically possible?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of the universe and all of reality ceasing to exist suddenly. Participants explore theoretical physics concepts, including multiple universes, vacuum states, and cosmological constants, while questioning the scientific feasibility of such an event.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a tunneling event to a lower-energy vacuum state could theoretically lead to the universe ceasing to exist, spreading at the speed of light and altering the laws of physics.
  • Others mention that while sudden singularities have been quantified by cosmologists, they remain highly conjectural and unlikely based on current data.
  • One participant outlines three hypotheses regarding the cosmological constant: it could be constant, changing over time, or indicative of a false vacuum state subject to tunneling.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that if the universe originated from nothing, it could eventually collapse back to nothing, referencing ideas from Edward Tryon.
  • A later reply questions the reasoning behind the assertion that a universe made from nothing should collapse to nothing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility of the universe ceasing to exist. Multiple competing hypotheses and interpretations of cosmological constants and vacuum states are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the speculative nature of the discussion, with limitations in data and understanding of the underlying physics contributing to the uncertainty of the claims made.

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I've always wondered if it is actually possible for the universe, and all of known reality and space-time to suddenly collapse, or cease to exist. Modern theoretical physics points to multiple universes, other dimensions, etc... Is it actually scientifically possible for all of space-time and all reality to suddenly cease to exist?

I don't know if this thread fits into this particular forum, sorry if this appears to be controversial.
 
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Conjectures along these lines:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1656
The Arrow Of Time In The Landscape
Brett McInnes
"Indeed, string theory does seem to have such scales. The known ways of constructing string vacua resembling our Universe [25] (in that they have a positive cosmological constant) certainly do not lead to universes that endure for arbitrarily long periods of time;
one says that the vacuum is “metastable”."

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0301240
de Sitter Vacua in String Theory
Shamit Kachru, Renata Kallosh, Andrei Linde, Sandip P. Trivedi
"The lifetime of our metastable de Sitter vacua is much greater than the cosmological timescale of 10^10 years."
 
The_Absolute said:
I've always wondered if it is actually possible for the universe, and all of known reality and space-time to suddenly collapse, or cease to exist. Modern theoretical physics points to multiple universes, other dimensions, etc... Is it actually scientifically possible for all of space-time and all reality to suddenly cease to exist?

I don't know if this thread fits into this particular forum, sorry if this appears to be controversial.
Well, not all at once. But it is conceivable that, if the laws of physics are a certain way, then there could be a tunneling event somewhere within our universe to a lower-energy vacuum state. If this were to occur, then it would essentially spread at the speed of light, destroying everything as it spread (as the laws of physics as we know them would be different in a different vacuum state).

Of course, we know that if this sort of thing can occur, it must be exceedingly rare, as it hasn't happened in our observable universe just yet.
 
The_Absolute said:
I've always wondered if it is actually possible for the universe, and all of known reality and space-time to suddenly collapse, or cease to exist. Modern theoretical physics points to multiple universes, other dimensions, etc... Is it actually scientifically possible for all of space-time and all reality to suddenly cease to exist?

I don't know if this thread fits into this particular forum, sorry if this appears to be controversial.

It's highly conjectural, but not really controversial. Serious cosmologists have tried to quantify possible "sudden singularities" which might end the Universe in a hurry due to changing cosmological constants and metastable string vacua suddenly tipping into a new state. Lots of room for imagining the "Ultimate Catastrophe", but not a lot of data to work with. So, I'll go out on a limb and say a "sudden end" is possible but presently very unlikely.
 
This is an interesting topic and is related to the three ideas of the dark energy (cosmological constant):

1. The cosmological constant is due to the universe being in a true minimum of scalar field energy. Then, the consmological constant is really constant.

2. The cosmological constant is changing with time since the scalar field is decaying with time.

3. We are in a false vacuum metastable local minimum state subject to quantum tunneling to a true vacuum state. This is kind of the theme of this thread.

It would be interesting to know which one of these three applies to our universe.
 
If the universe is made from nothing (as first mused by Edward Tryon circa 1973) then it should collapse to nothing. In a null universe, the positive energy is always equal to the negative potential energy.
 
yogi said:
If the universe is made from nothing (as first mused by Edward Tryon circa 1973) then it should collapse to nothing.
Why?
 

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