Is this indefinite integral really unsolvable?

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The discussion revolves around the indefinite integral \(\int \sqrt{1 + \frac{\ln x}{x}}dx\), which some participants question whether it can be solved in terms of standard mathematical functions. The conversation touches on the nature of integrals, particularly those that do not have elementary antiderivatives, and the implications of such findings in mathematical education.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Mathematica and WolframAlpha could not solve the integral, suggesting that it may not have an elementary function as its antiderivative.
  • Another participant agrees with the assessment of WolframAlpha, stating that many integrals do not have solutions in terms of elementary functions, citing examples like \(\int{e^{x^2}dx}\) and \(\int{\frac{\sin(x)}{x}dx}\).
  • A different viewpoint is presented, highlighting that WolframAlpha's inability to find a solution does not necessarily imply that no non-elementary functions exist that could represent the integral.
  • Concerns are raised about the integral being presented as a puzzle in a mathematical journal, with speculation that there may be a typo regarding the integral's range or type (definite vs. indefinite).
  • Participants discuss the possibility of using numerical methods for evaluation, although the focus is on finding an indefinite integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the integral may not have a solution in terms of elementary functions, but there is disagreement regarding the potential existence of non-elementary solutions and whether a typo may have occurred in the original problem statement.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the original context of the integral as presented in the MATYC journal, including the possibility of missing information about the integral's range or type.

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Hey, all.

Anyway, browsing the Internet a bit I found this integral:

\int \sqrt{1 + \frac{\ln x}{x}}dx​

as a proposed problem in a compilation of maths problems, as an integral from the MATYC journal. I gave it to Mathematica and WolframAlpha and they weren't able to solve it; WolframAlpha even claims there's no result found in terms of standard mathematical functions.

Any ideas? Perhaps Mathematica/WolframAlpha is on the fritz? :S
 
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I highly suspect that wolfram alpha is correct. I think that there are indeed no elementary function that give that function as derivative. This isn't special, you know? It happens to a lot of integrals, for example

\int{e^{x^2}dx}~\text{and}~\int{\frac{\sin(x)}{x}dx}

can not be solved in terms of elementary functions. In fact, it is a criticism that I have for most calculus classes: they don't stress enough that most integrals are not solvable. When you come out of a calculus class, you think you can solve any integral, but this is simply false.

But numerical methods still work however...
 
While it's true that most integrals that one can think of have no elementary antiderivative, WolframAlpha claims that it can't find a result in terms of standard mathematical functions that it knows - and Wolfram Alpha knows many non-elementary functions like the Gaussian (erf and erfc) and sine integral that you gave as examples.

Numerical methods are usually left for numerical integration of definite integrals - remember that this is an indefinite integral that we're looking for, or primitive or antiderivative if you prefer (although a Taylor series expansion could be found, I guess, atleast for a limited interval).

What surprised me is that it appeared as a puzzle in a mathematical journal. Perhaps it's a typo? If it helps, I found it http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KX6D6hefyA0C&printsec=frontcover", on page 84, MATYC 125.
 
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Hmm, that is weird. I've checked some other mathematical software, but they also say that they cannot find a solution. So I think there's a typo somewhere. I have the feeling that they forgot to type the range of the integral, and that it's actually a definite integral...
 
Thanks for all the input, micromass. It may be possible to locate the original MATYC issue in question and see if there is indeed a typo and the integrand is messed up and/or it's actually a definite integral.
 

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