Is this interpretation correct? (diagrams of Carbon Monoxide and Carbon Dioxide)

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The discussion revolves around the interpretations of diagrams representing the molecular structures of Carbon Monoxide (CO) and Carbon Dioxide (CO2), focusing on hybridization, bonding, and the accuracy of the diagrams presented. Participants are seeking to clarify their understanding of these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the accuracy of their diagrams for CO and CO2, specifically regarding hybridized orbitals and bonding representations.
  • Another participant suggests that while the orbitals are mostly correct, there are details that need improvement, particularly in the representation of bonding for CO2.
  • A participant mentions that the bond order in CO cannot be clearly represented in the diagram due to its resonance structure.
  • There is a discussion about whether side atoms or ligands, such as oxygen in CO, exhibit hybridization, with some participants asserting that they do not.
  • One participant introduces the idea that different assumptions about hybridization can lead to various bonding schemes for CO2, presenting multiple models including sp2 and sp hybridization for oxygen.
  • Another participant discusses the complexity of hybridization in larger atoms and mentions hypervalency in compounds like PF5, contrasting it with the simpler bonding in CO and CO2.
  • Alternative bonding models, such as considering oxygens as unhybridized or sp3 hybridized, are also proposed, along with the concept of "banana bonds" and their implications for bonding strength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the hybridization of ligands and the representation of bonding in CO and CO2. Multiple competing models regarding hybridization and bonding schemes are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in the diagrams, such as missing color coding for hybridized and unhybridized orbitals, and the complexity of hybridization in larger atoms compared to those in the second period.

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*SORRY FOR BAD DIAGRAM*

Is this correct for C(triple bond)O ie Carbon Monoxide
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This is for CO2. Please check both.
ALso check everything ie hybridized orbitals, bondings etc. I'm trying to clear concepts.
(Note: red= unhybridized, black= hybridized)

Thank you.
 

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First, the orbitals are fine. Some details can be improved though.

I'm going to explain CO2 first. It is very close to being right. You forgot to draw bonding (black scribble between orbitals) for the other side (negative phase) of the Pz and Py orbitals. I'm sure this is a careless mistake because you did it for CO. Otherwise, they are good.

As for the CO, the orbitals are a mixture of a resonance structure ⊕:C≡O:⊖ ↔ :C=O:: (sorry the four electrons on the oxygen is wrong, two electrons belong on sp and the other two on Pz, but I cannot write that here). In that sense, the orbitals are fine, but the bond order cannot be discretely written in the diagram.

EDIT: You forgot to color code CO for the unhybridized or hybridized.
 
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HAYAO said:
First, the orbitals are fine. Some details can be improved though.

I'm going to explain CO2 first. It is very close to being right. You forgot to draw bonding (black scribble between orbitals) for the other side (negative phase) of the Pz and Py orbitals. I'm sure this is a careless mistake because you did it for CO. Otherwise, they are good.

As for the CO, the orbitals are a mixture of a resonance structure ⊕:C≡O:⊖ ↔ :C=O:: (sorry the four electrons on the oxygen is wrong, two electrons belong on sp and the other two on Pz, but I cannot write that here). In that sense, the orbitals are fine, but the bond order cannot be discretely written in the diagram.

EDIT: You forgot to color code CO for the unhybridized or hybridized.
Okay, the silly mistakes apart. I wanted to ask you something, will side atoms (or ligands. here O) show hybridization too? People on my other posts have said they won't..
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Thanks
 
prakhargupta3301 said:
Okay, the silly mistakes apart. I wanted to ask you something, will side atoms (or ligands. here O) show hybridization too? People on my other posts have said they won't..
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Thanks

I think I need to clear the misunderstanding first. DrDu meant to say that hybridization won't fully explain what happens in PF3. Any elements beyond 2nd period is going to be quite complicated. As an example, as you may already know, compounds containing phosphorous can sometimes show hypervalency (such as PF5), which you won't see for 1st and 2nd period elements. Larger atoms tend to be quite complicated where conventional understanding of bonding may or may not apply.

Carbon and oxygen in CO2 and CO can surely be explained well by hybridized orbitals.
 
CO2 is an example where you can see that different assumptions about hybridization lead to comparable bonding schemes. In the case of CO2 you have several choices:
a) take the O's to be sp2 hybridized, which is what you apparently did. Note that you can draw two equivalent structures depending on whether the sp2 hybrids on the left oxygen atom lie in the xy plane or xz plane. You can even get resonance stabilization by considering both structures at once.
b) Take the O's to be sp hybridized. Then you get again at least two resonance structures depending on whether the pi bond between the o on the left and the central c lies in the xy or xz plane. There will be a bit more repulsion between the lone pairs on O and the pi bonds as in case a.
c) Consider the oxygens as completely unhybridized. This will lead to somewhat weaker sigma bonds as in case b.
d) Consider all atoms to be sp3 hybridized. This will lead to so-called "banana bonds" between the atoms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_bond). Banana bonds are energetically favourable over sigma-pi type bonds as the "bananas" are at greater distance from each other which reduces electrostatic repulsion between the bonds. There is some confusion about this even on wikipedia. The reason is that in molecular orbital theory banana-bonds and sigma-pi bonds are equivalent while in valence bond theory, they are not.
 

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