Is this true about differential equations?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of particular solutions to ordinary differential equations (ODEs), specifically examining the conditions under which the sum of two particular solutions remains a valid particular solution for a combined ODE. The scope includes theoretical aspects of differential equations and the implications of linear dependence among solutions.

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  • Some participants assert that if two ODEs have particular solutions y_{p1} and y_{p2}, then the combined ODE has the particular solution y_{p1} + y_{p2}.
  • Others question whether this holds true if y_{p1} and y_{p2} are linearly dependent, suggesting that the sum may not be a valid particular solution.
  • A participant emphasizes the distinction between a solution satisfying the equation and being an independent solution, noting that dependent solutions can still satisfy the ODE.
  • There is a query about the predictability of the particular solution in the context of the general solution based on the characteristic and particular solutions.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of summing particular solutions, particularly in cases of linear dependence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of linear dependence on the nature of the combined solution.

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Participants highlight the importance of independence among solutions and the conditions under which particular solutions can be combined, indicating potential limitations in the assumptions made about linearity and independence.

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If [itex]a_3(x)y'''+a_2(x) y''+a_1(x) y'+a_0(x)y=f(x)[/itex] is an ODE with particular solution [itex]y_{p1}[/itex]
and [itex]a_3(x)y'''+a_2(x) y''+a_1(x) y'+a_0(x)y=g(x)[/itex] is an ODE with particular solution [itex]y_{p2}[/itex],
then the ODE [itex]a_3(x)y'''+a_2(x) y''+a_1(x) y'+a_0(x)y=f(x)+g(x)[/itex] has the particular solution [itex]y_{p1}+y_{p2}[/itex].
 
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gikiian said:
If [itex]a_3(x)y'''+a_2(x) y''+a_1(x) y'+a_0(x)y=f(x)[/itex] is an ODE with particular solution [itex]y_1[/itex]
and [itex]a_3(x)y'''+a_2(x) y''+a_1(x) y'+a_0(x)y=g(x)[/itex] is an ODE with particular solution [itex]y_2[/itex],
then the ODE [itex]a_3(x)y'''+a_2(x) y''+a_1(x) y'+a_0(x)y=f(x)+g(x)[/itex] has the particular solution [itex]y_{p1}+y_{p2}[/itex].

If that were true, then you must have
[tex] a_3(x) (y_{p1} + y_{p2})''' + a_2(x) (y_{p1} + y_{p2})'' + a_1(x) (y_{p1} + y_{p2})'<br /> + a_0(x) (y_{p1} + y_{p2}) = f(x) + g(x).[/tex]
Is that the case? Check for yourself.
 
But what if [itex]y_{p1}[/itex] and [itex]y_{p2}[/itex] are linearly dependent in the considered vector space?

Will the particular solution to the third equation still be [itex]y_{p1}+y_{p2}[/itex], or will it more be like [itex]y_{p1}+xy_{p2}[/itex]?
 
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Did you check for yourself that [itex]y_{P1}+ y_{P2}[/itex] satisfies the equation?

You are confusing "satisfies the equation" with "is an independent solution to the equation".

If [itex]y_{P1}[/itex] and [itex]y_{P2}[/itex] are NOT independent, then [itex]y_{p1}+ y_{P2}[/itex] would NOT be independent of either [itex]y_{P1}[/itex] or [itex]y_{P2}[/itex] (so we could not use it to construct a "general solution") but it would be a solution.

(There is nothing special about fact that the given example is non-homogeneous. The characteristic equation of the differential y''- 2y'+ y= 0 is [itex]r^2- 2r+ 1= (r- 1)^2= 0[/itex] which has the single root r= 1. [itex]y= e^x[/itex] is a solution. [itex]y= 3e^x[/itex] is also a solution- though NOT an independent solution. But still [itex]e^x+ 3e^x= 4e^x[/itex] is a solution to the equation.)
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Did you check for yourself that [itex]y_{P1}+ y_{P2}[/itex] satisfies the equation?

You are confusing "satisfies the equation" with "is an independent solution to the equation".

If [itex]y_{P1}[/itex] and [itex]y_{P2}[/itex] are NOT independent, then [itex]y_{p1}+ y_{P2}[/itex] would NOT be independent of either [itex]y_{P1}[/itex] or [itex]y_{P2}[/itex] (so we could not use it to construct a "general solution") but it would be a solution.
I get the point! But can we predict the particular solution, say [itex]y_p[/itex], involved in the general solution just by looking at [itex]y_c[/itex],[itex]y_{p1}[/itex] and [itex]y_{p2}[/itex]?
 

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