Is this true? euclidean metric <= taxicab metric

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Euclidean metric and the taxicab metric in the context of sequences. Participants explore whether the inequality \(\sqrt{ \Sigma_{n=1}^{\infty} (x_n - y_n)^2} \leq \Sigma_{n=1}^{\infty} |x_n - y_n|\) holds true, particularly focusing on the implications of squaring both sides of the inequality and the convergence of the involved series.

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  • One participant suggests that squaring both sides of the inequality is a valid approach, noting that the left-hand side is straightforward while the right-hand side introduces additional non-negative terms.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the validity of squaring infinite sums, raising concerns about convergence and the implications of divergent series.
  • A later reply emphasizes that if the absolute value series diverges, the inequality holds trivially, while also discussing the conditions under which the series converge.
  • Some participants propose that the Euclidean metric, representing straight-line distance, is inherently less than or equal to the taxicab metric, which measures distance along grid-like paths.
  • One participant provides a detailed mathematical argument involving finite sums and limits, attempting to establish the inequality under the assumption of convergence.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding and confusion regarding the squaring of infinite sums and the conditions for convergence. There is no consensus on the validity of the inequality, with multiple competing views and approaches presented.

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Participants highlight the importance of convergence in the context of infinite series and the implications of absolute convergence on the validity of the proposed inequality. The discussion remains open to interpretation based on the definitions and assumptions made about the sequences involved.

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given sequences [tex]\left\{x_n\right\}, \left\{y_n\right\}[/tex], is it true that

[tex]\sqrt{ \Sigma_{n=1}^{\infty} (x_n - y_n)^2} \leq \Sigma_{n=1}^{\infty} |x_n - y_n|[/tex]

this isn't a homework problem. it's just something that came up - I think it's pretty clear that it's true, but I don't know how to show this.

edit: the sequences are square summable, of course.
 
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Square both sides. The left hand side is obvious. Squaring the right hand side will yield the square of the left hand side plus another series, each of whose terms is non-negative.
 
right, I'm retarded. i was thinking that squaring something didn't preserve the inequality, but that's because i was confused about something else. thanks! (sorry, it's late, and if i have to prove that one more set is closed or one more set is dense, then I'm going to be very grumpy tomorrow.)
 
... although it's not clear to me how squaring an infinite sum must make sense
 
Mosis said:
... although it's not clear to me how squaring an infinite sum must make sense
If two series [itex]A=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n[/tex] and [itex]B=\sum_{m=1}^{\infty} b_m[/tex] are absolutely convergent, the product of the two series is absolutely convergent and converges to [itex]AB[/itex]. See <a href="http://www.mathreference.com/lc-prod,p2s.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.mathreference.com/lc-prod,p2s.html</a><br /> <br /> In this case, each element of the series on the right-hand side is non-negative, so if the series converges it is absolutely convergent, and thus its square is<br /> <br /> [tex]\left(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} |x_n-y_n|\right)^2 =<br /> \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \sum_{m=1}^{\infty} |x_n-y_n| |x_m-y_m|[/tex]There are four cases to consider in determining the validity of [itex]||x-y||_{L2} \le ||x-y||_{L1}[/itex]<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Both sides of the inequality involve convergent series.<br /> The way to show that the inequality holds in this case is to square both sides of the inequality as mentioned above.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The left-hand side diverges, the right hand side converges.<br /> If this case ever did occur it would falsify the conjecture. It is easy to show that this case cannot occur.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The left-hand side converges, the right hand side diverges.<br /> Example: y_n=0, x_n=1/n. The inequality is trivially true in this case.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Both sides of the inequality involve divergent series.<br /> Informally, this is essentially the equivalent of ∞ ≤ ∞. Formally, this is nonsense. One or both series needs to converge here.</li> </ol>[/itex][/itex]
 
Essentially, you are just saying that a straight line is the shortest distance between two points. The Euclidean metric measures distance along a straight line. The taxi cab metric doesn't.
 
First, if the absolute value infinite series diverges to [tex]\infty[/tex], there is nothing to prove - the left side MUST be [tex]\le[/tex] the right. If the right side series is finite, then:

If you are concerned about squaring infinite sums you can approach things this way. For any finite [tex]n[/tex] ([tex]\Leftrightarrow[/tex] refers to ``if and only if'')
I know your problem is written with [tex]x_i - y_i[/tex] - think of my work as referring to this difference by [tex]z_i[/tex]

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> \left(\sum_{i=1}^n z_i^2\right)^{1/2} & \le \sum_{i=1}^n |z_i| \\<br /> & \Leftrightarrow \\<br /> \sum_{i=1}^n z_i^2 & \le \left(\sum_{i=1}^n |z_i|\right)^2 \\<br /> & = \sum_{i=1}^n z_i^2 + 2\sum_{i=1}^{n-1} \sum_{j=i+1}^n |z_i z_j| \\<br /> &\le \sum_{i=1}^\infty z_i^2 + 2\sum_{i<j}^\infty |z_i z_j| \\<br /> &=\left(\sum_{i=1}^\infty |z_i|\right)^2 < \infty<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

Since this holds for every value of [tex]n[/tex], you can let [tex]n \to \infty[/tex]
on the left to find

[tex] \sum_{i=1}^\infty z_i^2 \le \left(\sum_{i=1}^\infty |z_i|\right)^2[/tex]

the infinite series converge because you are assuming the sums represent metrics on suitably defined sequence spaces.
 
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