Is time dilated if gravity is pulling equally in all diections?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gravitational time dilation, particularly in the context of a hypothetical scenario at the center of the Earth where gravitational forces are equal in all directions. Participants explore the implications of gravitational potential and field strength on time dilation, as well as comparisons between different spatial configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether time is dilated at the center of the Earth where there is no acceleration.
  • Another participant asserts that gravitational time dilation is dependent on the difference in gravitational potential rather than the gravitational field itself.
  • A more advanced question is posed regarding the time dilation between an observer in a spherically symmetric cavity and one at infinity in Minkowski space, acknowledging the differences between these scenarios.
  • Discussion includes the idea that time dilation within a gravitating spherical mass shell can be slightly greater than that at the shell's exterior surface, referencing the concept of gravitational redshift.
  • Participants elaborate that gravitational time dilation depends on the potential difference between points, emphasizing that local gravitational fields do not provide complete information about gravitational potential.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of comparing gravitational potentials at different points, not necessarily requiring one to be at infinity, with GPS satellites cited as an example of practical application.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between gravitational potential and time dilation, with some emphasizing the need for comparisons between points while others focus on the implications of static spacetimes. No consensus is reached on the specifics of gravitational time dilation in the discussed scenarios.

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Participants note that the gravitational potential at the center of the Earth is flat, which complicates the understanding of gravitational time dilation in that region compared to points at infinity. The discussion also highlights the challenges in matching metrics between different gravitational configurations.

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Greetings,

Is time dilated by gravity at the center of the Earth where there is no acceleration?

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Gravitational time dilation depends on the difference in gravitational potential. It doesn't have anything to do with the gravitational field.
 
So I suppose to more advanced question might be what is the time dilation between an observer in a spherically symmetric cavity and an observer out at infinity in minkowski space. I know the center of the Earth isn't the same as a cavity but the spherical symmetry concept works the same.
 
Pengwuino said:
So I suppose to more advanced question might be what is the time dilation between an observer in a spherically symmetric cavity and an observer out at infinity in minkowski space. I know the center of the Earth isn't the same as a cavity but the spherical symmetry concept works the same.
I take it by cavity you mean the interior region of a gravitating spherical mass shell. In the case of a thin shell, time dilation within the equipotential, Minkowski metric interior region is taken as uniformly just slightly in excess of that of the redshift factor applying at the shell exterior surface - as given at eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift
This really leads to a can of worms imho when boundary matching all components of an exterior Schwarzschild to interior Minkowski metric are considered, not just clock rate.
 
bcrowell said:
Gravitational time dilation depends on the difference in gravitational potential.
Rhetorical question: the difference between what and what? Elaborating on bcrowell's answer, gravitational time dilation depends on the difference between the gravitational potential at the point of interest and a point infinitely removed from the mass in question.

It doesn't have anything to do with the gravitational field.
However, both gravitational time dilation and the gravitational field are functions of the gravitational potential.

The problem is that gravitational field locally does not contain enough information to determine the potential. For example, the gravitational potential due to the Earth is flat at the center of the Earth and at an infinite distance from the Earth. This means the gravitational acceleration is zero at the center of the Earth and at an infinite distance from the Earth. This does not mean that the gravitational potential at the center of the Earth is the same as the potential at an infinite distance from the Earth.
 
D H said:
Rhetorical question: the difference between what and what? Elaborating on bcrowell's answer, gravitational time dilation depends on the difference between the gravitational potential at the point of interest and a point infinitely removed from the mass in question.

I'd say that what's relevant is the difference between the gravitational potential at one point and at another point. You don't need an asymptotically flat spacetime in order to talk about gravitational time dilation; all you need is a static spacetime. In a static but not asymptotically flat spacetime, there is no notion of the gravitational time dilation at a point P; there is only the notion of gravitational time dilation of P relative to some other point Q.
 
bcrowell said:
I'd say that what's relevant is the difference between the gravitational potential at one point and at another point.
Point taken. There is no reason to require that the other be be a point at infinity. GPS is a good example. The GPS satellites are in orbit, so obviously not at infinity, yet we still can talk (must talk!) about both the special and the general relativistic affects on the rates at which the GPS satellite clocks tick.
 

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