Is U(t)=exp(-iH/th) a Lie Group in Quantum Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether the unitary operator U(t)=exp(-iH/th) qualifies as a Lie group within the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore its dimensionality and classification within the broader framework of Lie groups, particularly in relation to time translations and the Poincare group.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if U(t)=exp(-iH/th) is a Lie group and whether it is infinite-dimensional.
  • One participant asserts that U(t) is a 1-dimensional Lie group of unitary operators in Hilbert space, relating it to the unitary representation of time translations.
  • Another participant raises the point that the generators of time translation, space translation, and angular momentum are differential operators, suggesting this implies an infinite-dimensional Lie algebra.
  • It is noted that while the dimension of the Lie group is determined by the number of independent transformation parameters, the representation of the Poincare group in Hilbert space involves infinite-dimensional matrices.
  • Clarification is provided that the dimension of the Lie group or Lie algebra does not directly correlate with the dimensionality of the matrices representing group elements in the Hilbert space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of the Lie group and its algebra, with some asserting it is 1-dimensional while others suggest it may be infinite-dimensional due to the nature of the generators involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification and dimensionality of U(t).

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the distinction between the dimensionality of the Lie group and the representation in Hilbert space, indicating that the infinite-dimensional nature of the operators does not necessarily reflect the dimensionality of the Lie group itself.

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Is U(t)=exp(-iH/th) a Lie group?

Is it an infinite dimensional Lie group?

To what 'family' of Lie groups does it belong?

thank you
 
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Ratzinger said:
Is U(t)=exp(-iH/th) a Lie group?

Is it an infinite dimensional Lie group?

To what 'family' of Lie groups does it belong?

thank you

U(t)=exp(-iHt/h) is a 1-dimensional (the parameter is t) Lie group of unitary operators in the Hilbert space.

In quantum physics it is more common to call U(t)=exp(-iHt/h) a "unitary representation" of the group of time translations. The latter group is usually considered as a 1-dimensional subgroup of the 10-dimensional Poincare group, which also includes space translations, rotations, and boosts.

Eugene.
 
thanks meopemuk!

But the generator of time translation (the Hamilton) consists of differential operators, so do the generators of space translation and angular momentum. Does not that mean an infinite dimenensional Lie algebra?
 
Ratzinger said:
thanks meopemuk!

But the generator of time translation (the Hamilton) consists of differential operators, so do the generators of space translation and angular momentum. Does not that mean an infinite dimenensional Lie algebra?

The dimension of a Lie group is the number of independent parameters of transformations. For time translations there is only one parameter - time, so this group is 1-dimensional. For general Poincare transformation there are 10 independent parameters, so the Poincare Lie group is 10-dimensional.

When you are talking about the Hamiltonian, angular momentum, etc., you are talking not about the Poincare group itself, but about its representation in a Hilbert space. Group elements are represented by unitary operators in an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space. So, the dimension of the corresponding matrices is, indeed, infinite, but this has nothing to do with the dimension of the Lie group or the Lie algebra.

Eugene.
 
many thanks meopemuk!
 

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