Is y = | x | - 2 Symmetric About the x-axis, y-axis, or Origin?

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The discussion centers around the symmetry of the function y = |x| - 2, specifically whether it is symmetric about the x-axis, y-axis, or origin. Participants explore the rules for testing symmetry and engage in a debate about the necessity of graphical representation in understanding symmetry.

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  • Some participants inquire about the rules for testing symmetry without relying on graphical methods.
  • One participant argues that the easiest way to check symmetry is through graphing the function.
  • Another participant claims that the function is not symmetric about the x-axis or the origin, while also asserting it is not symmetric about the y-axis.
  • In contrast, a different participant argues that the function is symmetric about the y-axis, stating that f(-x) = f(x).
  • Several participants discuss the properties of absolute values, noting that |x| = |-x|, but |x| = x only under certain conditions (x ≥ 0) and |x| = -x when x < 0.
  • One participant introduces a general form of a function related to symmetry and discusses its properties, including the vertex and axis of symmetry.

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Participants express differing views on the symmetry of the function, with no consensus reached. Some assert it is symmetric about the y-axis, while others disagree, stating it is not symmetric about any axis.

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Participants highlight the complexity of absolute value equations and the conditions under which certain equalities hold, indicating that assumptions about the domain of x are important in the discussion of symmetry.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators exploring the concepts of symmetry in mathematical functions, particularly in the context of absolute values and graphical analysis.

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Test for symmetry about the x-axis, y-axis and origin.

y = | x | - 2

What are the rules for testing for symmetry?
 
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On this forum you are supposed to show an attempted solution or at least describe the difficulty. Surely you can plot the first graph: there is nothing that requires ingenuity about it.

In general the equation f(|g(x,y)|) = 0 for any functions f and g is equivalent to the following:
\[
\left\{\begin{aligned}f(g(x,y))&=0\\g(x,y)&\ge0\end{aligned}\right.\quad\text{or}\quad
\left\{\begin{aligned}f(-g(x,y))&=0\\g(x,y)&<0\end{aligned}\right.
\]

To make |x + y| = 2 a special case of f(|g(x,y)|) = 0 we define f(x) = x - 2 and g(x,y) = x + y; then f(|g(x,y)|) = 0 is |x + y| - 2 = 0. According to the statement above, it is equivalent to
\[
\left\{\begin{aligned}x+y-2&=0\\x+y&\ge0\end{aligned}\right.\quad\text{or}\quad
\left\{\begin{aligned}-(x+y)-2&=0\\x+y&<0\end{aligned}\right.
\]
So you need to find the set of (x, y) that lie on the line x+y-2 = 0 and also satisfy x + y >= 0, and take the union with the set of (x, y) that lie on the line x+y+2 = 0 and also satisfy x + y < 0.
 
I changed the question. Forget the graph. What are the rules for testing for symmetry?
 
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Forget the graph.

why? ... easiest way to check symmetry is by viewing the graph.
 
If you are going to reply using textbook jargon, then what's the point of asking for guidance? I changed the question. What are the rules for symmetry?
 
y = | x | - 2

-y = | x | - 2

Not symmetric about the x-axis.

y = | -x | - 2

y = x - 2

Not symmetric about the y-axis.

-y = | -x | - 2

-y = x - 2

Not symmetric about the origin.
 
Let:

$$f(x)=y=|x|-2$$

We find:

$$f(-x)=|-x|-2=|x|-2=y=f(x)$$

Thus, this function is symmetric about the $y$-axis. No further tests for symmetry are needed. :D
 
I thought the | -x | = x.

Does | x | = x?

Are you saying that y = | x | - 2 means y = x - 2?
 
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RTCNTC said:
I thought the | -x | = x.

Does | x | = x?

We can correctly state:

$$|x|=|-x|$$

But, we can only state:

$$|x|=x$$

if:

$$0\le x$$

Or we can state:

$$|x|=-x$$

if:

$$x<0$$
 
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How is | x | = | -x |?

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Absolute value equations are tricky.
 
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RTCNTC said:
How is | x | = | -x |?

One way to show this is to think of the definition:

$$|x|\equiv\sqrt{x^2}$$

And so we have:

$$|-x|=\sqrt{(-x)^2}=\sqrt{x^2}=|x|$$

Another way to think of this is to view |x| as the distance on the number line between the origin (0) and x (the magnitude of x). Then, we observe that for all real x, -x is the same distance from the origin, even though it's on the opposite side of the origin.
 
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This will take more thinking on my part. Check out the other symmetry post. Right or wrong?
 
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Consider the function:

$$f(x)=m|x-h|+k$$

This is much like the vertex form for a quadratic. The vertex is at:

$$(h,k)$$

The axis of symmetry is the vertical line:

$$x=h$$

If:

$$0<m$$

then the graph opens upwards, and the range is:

$$[k,\infty)$$

But if:

$$m<0$$

then graph opens downwards, and the range is:

$$(-\infty,k]$$

The magnitude of m will determine how "skinny" the graph is...the greater the magnitude, the skinnier the graph.

Here is a graph with sliders so that you can see the effect the parameters have:

[DESMOS=-10,10,-10,10]y=m\left|x-h\right|+k;k=0;h=0;m=1[/DESMOS]
 
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Your knowledge of math is cool.
 

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