Isotopes: Proton vs Neutron Counts

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The discussion revolves around the characteristics of isotopes, specifically focusing on the relationship between proton and neutron counts within atomic nuclei. Participants explore whether isotopes can exist with fewer neutrons than protons and the implications of such configurations on stability and decay modes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether isotopes can have fewer neutrons than protons, suggesting that repulsion might occur in such cases, making the nucleus easier to split.
  • Another participant points out that hydrogen-1 (H1) has one proton and zero neutrons, indicating that isotopes can indeed have fewer neutrons.
  • It is noted that helium-3 (He3) is stable with two protons and one neutron, contrasting with tritium (H3), which has one proton and two neutrons and is unstable.
  • A later reply emphasizes that stability generally requires the number of neutrons to be equal to or greater than the number of protons, with some exceptions, and mentions decay modes such as electron capture or positron emission when protons exceed neutrons.
  • Further details are provided about various isotopes and their stability, including specific decay processes and energy releases associated with certain isotopes like lithium-5, beryllium-7, and carbon-11.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of isotopes with fewer neutrons than protons, with some agreeing on the existence of such isotopes while others emphasize the conditions for stability and decay processes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these configurations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various isotopes and their decay modes, highlighting the complexity of nuclear stability and the specific conditions under which certain isotopes exist. The discussion includes technical details that may depend on definitions and assumptions about nuclear physics.

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I'm in year 10 and I have been studying physics and chemistry. When I learned isotopes, I notice that for isotopes, the number of neutron is always higher than that of proton. Is it possible that there are isotopes that the number of neutron is lower than that of proton? If no, is that because repulsion will take place if the number of neutron is lower than that of proton thus making the nucleus easy to spilt up? If I said something wrong or non-sense, please forgive me.
 
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Yes. H1 has one proton and zero neutrons. :smile:
 
Also He3, two protons and one neutron. Notice that it is stable in contrast to H3, one proton and two neutrons.

There are others, but they tend to be unstable.
http://atom.kaeri.re.kr/ton/
 
Colin Cheng said:
I'm in year 10 and I have been studying physics and chemistry. When I learned isotopes, I notice that for isotopes, the number of neutron is always higher than that of proton. Is it possible that there are isotopes that the number of neutron is lower than that of proton? If no, is that because repulsion will take place if the number of neutron is lower than that of proton thus making the nucleus easy to spilt up? If I said something wrong or non-sense, please forgive me.
One can look at nuclides (isotopes) and their properties here -
http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/

He-3 is the only stable isotope with more protons than neutrons. Essentially, stability requires the same number or greater number of neutrons than protons, with some limits. When the number of protons exceeds the neutrons, then electron capture or positron emission generally is the decay mode.
 
Astronuc said:
One can look at nuclides (isotopes) and their properties here -
http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/

He-3 is the only stable isotope with more protons than neutrons.
And the other is proton.
Astronuc said:
Essentially, stability requires the same number or greater number of neutrons than protons, with some limits. When the number of protons exceeds the neutrons, then electron capture or positron emission generally is the decay mode.

Look at the simple cases of 1 excess protons:
Proton: Stable. Neutron undergoes beta decay, releasing 782 keV and half-life 10 minutes
He-3: Stable. Triton undergoes beta decay... but releases only 18 keV, with half-life 12 years. Another consequence of neutron having bigger binding energy in T that a proton has in He-3 is that He-3 easily captures slow neutrons, expelling a proton and releasing energy.
Li-5: no set of 5 nucleons is bound.
Be-7: bound but unstable. Unlike n (beta decay 782 keV) and t (beta decay 18 keV), Li-7 is stable to beta decay, instead Be-7 captures an electron releasing 862 keV, with half-life 53 days. Note that Be-7 cannot emit a positron, because electron capture releases just 862 keV, and creation of electron-positron pair would take 1022 keV
B-9: unbound (unlike Be-9, which is bound and stable)
C-11: would release 1982 keV on electron capture, therefore can also emit a positron with 960 keV left over, and does so, with half-live 20 minutes.
 

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