Issue with Stellarium: transit of Venus (find the parallax)

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The discussion centers around the use of Stellarium to observe the transit of Venus and the calculation of parallax from different locations on Earth. Participants explore the accuracy of Stellarium's rendering and the methodology for calculating parallax in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents images from Stellarium showing the transit of Venus from two locations and questions whether the views are accurate and how to calculate parallax.
  • Another participant expresses doubt about the forum's ability to provide specialized answers for this specific astronomy problem.
  • Some participants estimate that a baseline of 12000 km could yield a parallax of around 0.7 arcmin, suggesting that this might be difficult to measure accurately in a simulated environment.
  • There is a suggestion that different latitudes may affect the observed rotation angles of the sun, impacting the parallax measurement.
  • Several participants discuss the rendering options in Stellarium, noting that using an equatorial mount could help eliminate the relative rotation seen in snapshots from different observers.

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Participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of Stellarium's views and the feasibility of measuring parallax from simulated observations. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve these issues.

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Limitations include the potential inaccuracies in Stellarium's rendering and the dependence on the chosen coordinate system for observations. The discussion also highlights the challenges of measuring small angles like parallax in a simulated setup.

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I am having problems using Stellarium. I was trying to find the parallax of the transit of Venus as viewed from two different locations. I am not sure whether the results given by Stellarium is accurate.
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These are the two snapshot (on Stellarium) of the Third Contact between Venus and the Sun at the same time at different locations on Earth. The top image is viewd from Quito, Ecuador, the bottom image is from Harrisburg. I am supposed to determine the parallax. The angles were calculated using Geogebra. It appearrs that instead of revealing the parallax, Stellarium merely rotates the sun and the Venus.

  1. Is this supposed to be the right view from the respective locations?
  2. How should one calculate the parallax?

P.S. this exercise was proposed here Using a transit of Venus to determine the Astronomical Unit, using another planetarium application though.

Thanks in advance!

P.S.S.
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This was what I tried, where the white boxes refer to the length.
 
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This is a very specific problem and I'm not sure we have anyone here who can really answer it, as PF isn't a specialized astronomy forum. Best of luck to you though.
 
Drakkith said:
This is a very specific problem and I'm not sure we have anyone here who can really answer it, as PF isn't a specialized astronomy forum. Best of luck to you though.
Hmm, thanks! Let me try to ask this somewhere else (I just realized there's a Stellarium mailing list), while I wait here.
 
Some quick estimates on the calculator seems to suggest that two simultaneous observers on a 12000 km baseline (just to take a near-maximum baseline distance) can expect a parallax of venus relative to the sun at around 0.7 arcmin or just around 2% of the diameter of the sun disc. If that is correct, you may have a hard time picking that number up from a "simulated" measurement setup.
 
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Filip Larsen said:
Some quick estimates on the calculator seems to suggest that two simultaneous observers on a 12000 km baseline (just to take a near-maximum baseline distance) can expect a parallax of venus relative to the sun at around 0.7 arcmin or just around 2% of the diameter of the sun disc. If that is correct, you may have a hard time picking that number up from a "simulated" measurement setup.
Oops, looks like I should have tried estimating first.
 
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I'm not sure, but I think observation from different latitudes causes the sun to be viewed at different rotation angles.
 
russ_watters said:
I'm not sure, but I think observation from different latitudes causes the sun to be viewed at different rotation angles.
I concur. I have only tried the web version (which it otherwise quite nicely done) and it appears to always render the sky using the local horizon coordinate system ("azimuthal grid"). Not sure if the desktop versions have options to render in, say, equatorial or heliocentric coordinates, but if it does that should then "remove" the relative rotation between snapshots from two different observers.
 
Filip Larsen said:
I concur. I have only tried the web version (which it otherwise quite nicely done) and it appears to always render the sky using the local horizon coordinate system ("azimuthal grid"). Not sure if the desktop versions have options to render in, say, equatorial or heliocentric coordinates, but if it does that should then "remove" the relative rotation between snapshots from two different observers.
I tried asking here:
https://groups.google.com/g/stellarium/c/XyMYtsI0Io0

Indeed, I should have used equatorial mount to disable rotation. Tried it in stellarium just now, and it works.
 
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