IVP applications of second-order ODE

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem (IVP) related to a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form mx'' + cx = cAsin(Ωt), with specific initial conditions. Participants are tasked with demonstrating a condition involving the absolute value of the solution and a parameter H.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants share their attempts at solving the ODE and express confusion regarding the condition |x(t)| < H. There is a focus on the manipulation of the modulus of the solution and the implications of the inequality involving A and H.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided partial solutions and are exploring the implications of their findings. There is an ongoing examination of the mathematical steps involved in taking absolute values and establishing inequalities. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the definitions and roles of the parameters involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of clarifying definitions, such as the meaning of ω, and express concerns about the completeness of their reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the need to ensure all assumptions are clearly stated and understood.

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Homework Statement



Given the equation mx''+cx=cAsin(Ωt) with the initial conditions x(0)=0 and x'(0)=0.
Solve the initial value problem for the case when Ω < ω and show that |x(t)| < H provided
A < H(1-(Ω/ω)).


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The Attempt at a Solution



For my solution to the equation I got x(t)=(Aω/(ω^2-Ω^2))[ωsin(Ωt)-Ωsin(ωt)]

So, I'm hoping that this is right which I found using x(t)=x_h+x_p.
But I'm completely confused about the second part to show that |x(t)| < H provided
A < H(1-(Ω/ω)). :confused:

This is my first post here, so apologies if I'm not doing it right. :shy:
Thanks in advance.
 
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zebrastripes said:

Homework Statement



Given the equation mx''+cx=cAsin(Ωt) with the initial conditions x(0)=0 and x'(0)=0.
Solve the initial value problem for the case when Ω < ω and show that |x(t)| < H provided
A < H(1-(Ω/ω)).

The Attempt at a Solution



For my solution to the equation I got x(t)=(Aω/(ω^2-Ω^2))[ωsin(Ωt)-Ωsin(ωt)]

So, I'm hoping that this is right which I found using x(t)=x_h+x_p.
But I'm completely confused about the second part to show that |x(t)| < H provided
A < H(1-(Ω/ω)). :confused:

Good work so far; you are almost there. Take the absolute value of both sides of your ##x(t)## equatiion and use this:$$
|\omega \sin(\Omega t) - \Omega \sin(\omega t)|\le
|\omega| | \sin(\Omega t)| + |\Omega| | \sin(\omega t)|
\le \omega + \Omega$$and put in the overestimate given for A. See what drops out.
 
Ahh Ok, so it's my modulus work that's really poor!

I'm thinking you're equation changes mine to: Aω/(ω^2-Ω^2)<H(ω+Ω)

So with the substitution for A I get (ω-Ω)/(ω^2-Ω^2)<(ω+Ω)

So from this, could I finish by showing this is true? Or have I gone wrong again? I'm thinking that my Aω/(ω^2-Ω^2) should have changed when I was taking the modulus?
 
zebrastripes said:
Ahh Ok, so it's my modulus work that's really poor!

I'm thinking you're equation changes mine to: Aω/(ω^2-Ω^2)<H(ω+Ω)

The contraction "you're" is a short form of "you are". The possessive case is "your". Also, while I'm commenting on your post, I should point out that you never told us what ##\omega## stands for. Best not to leave definitions out.

You will have less trouble if you will write out your full string of inequalities. You have$$
x(t) = \frac{A\omega}{\omega^2-\Omega^2}(\omega \sin(\Omega t) - \Omega \sin(\omega t))$$Start by taking the absolute value of both sides:$$
|x(t)|=\left| \frac{A\omega}{\omega^2-\Omega^2} \right| |\omega \sin(\Omega t) - \Omega \sin(\omega t)| \le ...$$Now continue the string on the right using what you know so far.
 

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