Jerk in Gravitation: Are Accelerations Equal in Cases of Varying Distances?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "jerk" in gravitational interactions between two masses, specifically examining whether the jerk is equal in two cases where the masses are separated by different distances. The inquiry includes theoretical considerations of gravitational acceleration and its derivatives over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario with two masses, m1 and m2, at different distances (r = 20 and r = 10) and questions if their jerk is equal when released from rest.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the term "jerk" used in the context of the discussion.
  • A participant defines "jerk" as the rate of change of acceleration, expressed mathematically as \(\frac{d^{3}\vec{r}}{dt^{3}}\).
  • A further contribution provides a mathematical expression for gravitational acceleration and its derivative, suggesting that jerk will initially be zero and increase linearly with time under specific conditions of motion.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on whether the jerk is equal in the two cases presented. The discussion includes varying interpretations and mathematical formulations without a definitive resolution.

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The discussion involves complex mathematical expressions and assumptions about initial conditions, such as the relative velocity of the masses being zero. The implications of these assumptions on the jerk calculations remain unresolved.

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Lets suppose that we setup two instances involving two masses m1 and m2.

m1 > m2

Case 1. The two bodies are separated by a distance r = 20.
Case 2. The two bodies are separated by a distance r = 10.

Suppose that in both setups, we were to release all restraining forces on these two bodies at once and let gravity have its way. Both the accelerations will increase over time because r is decreasing but is the jerk of both cases equal?
 
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What "Jerk" are you referring to?
 
it's the rate of change of acceleration, or [itex]\frac{d^{3}\vec{r}}{dt^{3}}[/itex]
 
[tex]Gravitational\,\,acceleration:\quad\vec{a}_1=\frac{Gm_2\vec{r}}{|\vec{r}|^3}\Rightarrow\dot{\vec{a}}_1=\frac{Gm_2\dot{\vec{r}}}{|\vec{r}|^3}-\frac{3Gm_2 (\dot{ \vec{ r}} \cdot \vec{r}) \vec{r}}{| \vec{r}|^5} where\,\,\dot{q}=\frac{\partial{}q}{\partial{}t} for\,\,any \,\,quantity\,\,q[/tex]This equation holds for all types of motion under only (two body) gravitational forces. Suppose the initial relative velocity of the two objects is zero, then near t=0 (when the two objects are released from rest) the motion is well approximated by uniform acceleration, for which the ratio v/r3 is approximately: [tex]|\frac{\dot{\vec{r}}}{|\vec{r}|^3}|\approx\frac{a_ot}{r_o^3}=\frac{Gm_2}{r_o^5}t[/tex]So, the jerk will initially be zero and increase approximately linearly with time (over distances that are small when compared to the initial separation).
 

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