Jindal - Another one bites the dust?

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The discussion centers around the public response to Bobby Jindal's national debut and the broader implications for the Republican Party in the context of Barack Obama's presidency. Participants explore themes of political performance, candidate qualifications, and the impact of economic policies. The conversation includes critiques of both Jindal's delivery and Obama's administration, touching on issues of experience, public perception, and economic management.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants criticize Jindal's performance as condescending and amateurish, suggesting it reflects poorly on the Republican Party.
  • Others argue that Obama's victory was not solely due to Jindal's shortcomings but rather a result of broader political dynamics, including the previous administration's failures.
  • There are claims that Obama, despite being perceived as inexperienced, has made poor decisions that have negatively impacted the economy, including high national debt and poor market performance.
  • Some participants assert that the stock market's decline is a result of systemic issues rather than the actions of the current administration, emphasizing the complexity of economic factors.
  • A few participants highlight the importance of public speaking skills in Obama's rise, suggesting that his ability to connect with voters played a significant role in his success.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of the stimulus package, with some arguing that its impact will be debated for years, regardless of its actual outcomes.
  • There is a discussion about the role of deregulation and government actions in the current economic crisis, with differing views on the causes and responsibilities involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with notable disagreements regarding the effectiveness of Jindal's performance and the implications of Obama's policies. There is no consensus on the causes of the economic situation or the effectiveness of the stimulus package, indicating a contested discussion.

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Some arguments rely on assumptions about the motivations behind voter choices and the effects of economic policies, which are not universally accepted. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the responsibilities of political leaders in relation to economic conditions.

  • #61
mheslep said:
He passed by law school to attend Oxford on a Rhodes. I don't think what this country needs is yet another Yale lawyer to go along with the one million it already has.
Interesting, I had the same opinion of this unsubstantiated post.

Gov. Jindal seems to have turned the corner on corruption in a state that most thought hopelessly stricken with it. By most reports he's real, he's smart, he's honest, and doesn't to much preening in the mirror. Maybe w), x), y), z) are reserved for those character traits.

And what do you make of his beliefs in exorcism and his advocacy for the teaching of intelligent design in schools?
 
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  • #62
Werg22 said:
And what do you make of his beliefs in exorcism and his advocacy for the teaching of intelligent design in schools?
Jindal not only claimed to have exorcised a demon from a female friend - he also claimed in a conservative Catholic journal that the procedure cured her of cancer. So much for his "intelligence".
 
  • #63
So he ridicules the railroad part of the stimulus package, and then the state will still apply for a portion of the funds?
Louisiana to seek New Orleans-Baton Rouge passenger rail line from federal stimulus pot that Jindal called wasteful
by Robert Travis Scott, The Times-Picayune
Saturday February 28, 2009, 8:00 AM

BATON ROUGE - Louisiana's transportation department plans to request federal dollars for a New Orleans to Baton Rouge passenger rail service from the same pot of railroad money in the president's economic stimulus package that Gov. Bobby Jindal criticized as unnecessary pork on national television Tuesday night.

The high-speed rail line, a topic of discussion for years, would require $110 million to upgrade existing freight lines and terminals to handle a passenger train operation, said Mark Lambert, spokesman for the Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development.
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/louisiana_to_seek_new_orleansb.html
 
  • #64
mheslep said:
He passed by law school to attend Oxford on a Rhodes. I don't think what this country needs is yet another Yale lawyer to go along with the one million it already has.
Interesting, I had the same opinion of this unsubstantiated post.

Gov. Jindal seems to have turned the corner on corruption in a state that most thought hopelessly stricken with it. By most reports he's real, he's smart, he's honest, and doesn't to much preening in the mirror. Maybe w), x), y), z) are reserved for those character traits.

lol, ok...whatever you say there buddy. A guy who supports ID and has claimed to perform an exorcism while curing cancer seem's like a nutjob to me.
 
  • #65
LowlyPion said:
Aside from voting against slavery Lincoln didn't have that productive a legislative career. Writing noteworthy legislation is a rather curious metric to judge a leader. What legislation did Washington initiate before becoming President?

Education is a must.

To begin with Lincoln did not vote against slavery in the executive branch, not legislative.

Writing noteworthy legislation is the most important metric for a person in the legislative branch of government.

Washington was not a legislative member of Congress. He was in the military. He would be measured by his leadership in the military before his election.

A person can be judged by their history. A job seeker fills out an application or resume to apply for a job today. If your job was in the legislature then your work as a legislator is the metric.

How silly to suggest that your work experience is a "curious metric."

Yet another flip-flop in decision making! Are you going to claim that Obama has never flip-flopped? He just flip-flopped again and this time it is on earmarks.
 
  • #66
Of course, Jindal promotes teaching a 'balanced' version of creationism and evolution in the classroom. See the Scientific American.
 
  • #67
Jindal apparently undeterred by his disastrous speech after the President's speech to Congress, will place himself in jeopardy once again tonight speaking during/before Obama's prime time Press Conference. I sense another unfavorable comparison. Though given how pitiful his reviews were last time I doubt he can do worse than before.
Louisiana governor again speaking opposite Obama
By BEN EVANS – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal will again carry the Republican mantle opposite a primetime appearance from President Barack Obama on Tuesday.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h93PuGaXuabIlsfIefGAw_780GdQD974HUT02

Jindal so far has not shown himself to be even a Douglass to Obama's Lincoln.
 
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  • #68
turbo-1 said:
Obama is now responsible for all the market dynamics that were handed to him after 8 years of negligence. Didn't you get the memo?

Come on, Turbo. It was hardly neglected. The prime rate didn't just go down on it's own. It may have been bad policy, but not neglect. Any negligence in efforts to cool the stock market occurred in 1994-2000. I don't recall any legislation passed in those years to prevent a market bubble. People were too enamored with their capital gains to chill-down that which put $dollar$ sign in their eyes.
 
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  • #70
hokie1 said:
Writing noteworthy legislation is the most important metric for a person in the legislative branch of government.

We're talking law students and interns, right?