Job prospects for condensed matter physicists

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around job prospects for condensed matter physicists, particularly in comparison to other fields such as particle physics and cosmology. Participants explore the implications of educational background, research focus, and industry demand on employability within the field.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a pessimistic view regarding job prospects in physics, questioning whether this applies to condensed matter physicists as well.
  • Others argue that having a PhD in condensed matter physics generally provides good job prospects, although securing a position as a professional physicist can be challenging.
  • A participant notes that condensed matter is a broad sub-field with varying job prospects depending on specific areas, such as the semiconductor industry, which is facing projected employment declines.
  • One participant, who is a first-year undergraduate, seeks to understand job prospects in condensed matter physics compared to other fields, indicating a lack of experience in the job market.
  • Another participant suggests that undergraduate research in condensed matter may be more marketable than in particle physics or cosmology, but this is contingent on the specific career path.
  • Concerns are raised about the distinction between theoretical and experimental work, with some participants noting that employability differs significantly between these two approaches.
  • There is a suggestion that experimental work in condensed matter physics equips students with a diverse skill set that may be attractive to employers.
  • One participant expresses a preference for theoretical work but acknowledges that practical skills may enhance employability.
  • Another participant advises developing strong computational and data analysis skills for job prospects outside of physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the overall job prospects for condensed matter physicists. There are multiple competing views regarding the impact of educational background, research focus, and industry trends on employability.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between theoretical and experimental work, as well as the varying job market conditions across different areas within condensed matter physics. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the future job landscape in the field.

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From reading this thread, it demonstrates a rather pessimistic view of physics (at least in relation to job employment). Would you say that similar job prospects are true, not only for cosmologists but even condensed matter physicists?
 
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If you have that kind of title ("condensed matter physicist"), then you have probably completed a PhD in the area. The job prospects are good. Having a PhD in physics of any sort gives you job prospects, but most who make it that far want more than just job prospects. They want a physics career with high pay. Getting a job as a professional physicist in your field is very, very hard.

I did some condensed matter research for my physics masters. I've had a very difficult time finding a STEM job of any sort. But then, I only got a masters so that is not surprising.

Also note that "condensed matter" is a huge sub-field. There many areas of condensed matter each with different job prospects. The area my labmates often found employment in was the semiconductor industry. In the US the semiconductor industry is one of the "20 industries with the largest projected wage and salary employment declines".

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/ecopro.t04.htm

Regardless of that prediction about the semiconductor industry, I think that broadly condensed matter physicists are among the most marketable physicists there are. More marketable than cosmologists.
 
The title may be slightly misleading. I'm actually only entering into first year undergraduate studies, but have recently began reading up on condensed matter physics (from my introductory physics textbook). So I was really just curious about job prospects in the field, as they compare to particle physics/cosmology.
But anyways thanks for your response.
 
Even at the undergrad level, I think doing some condensed matter research or taking extra classes in that area would be more marketable to industry than particle physics/cosmology. But it really depends on where you are trying to go. People who do undergrad research in particle physics/cosmology can have some marketable skills in programming and modeling.
 
NATURE.M said:
The title may be slightly misleading. I'm actually only entering into first year undergraduate studies, but have recently began reading up on condensed matter physics (from my introductory physics textbook). So I was really just curious about job prospects in the field, as they compare to particle physics/cosmology.
But anyways thanks for your response.

There's one important piece of information that's missing here. Are you doing theoretical, or experimental work?

The "employability" of an experimentalist is way different than the employability of a theorist. Doing an experimental condensed matter physics will force you to not only learn the subject matter, but also learn a whole slew of skills, including learning several different experimental techniques, learning about vacuum systems, learning how to do a bit of electronics, etc.. etc. A good Advisor will equip his/her students in such an area with a wealth of skills that are desirable for work in industries.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
There's one important piece of information that's missing here. Are you doing theoretical, or experimental work?

The "employability" of an experimentalist is way different than the employability of a theorist. Doing an experimental condensed matter physics will force you to not only learn the subject matter, but also learn a whole slew of skills, including learning several different experimental techniques, learning about vacuum systems, learning how to do a bit of electronics, etc.. etc. A good Advisor will equip his/her students in such an area with a wealth of skills that are desirable for work in industries.

Zz.

Preferably, I'd want to do theoretical work (based upon my minimal knowledge topological insulators or Bose-Einstein condensates seem like interesting areas), although I know employability favors the practical facets of the subject.
 
NATURE.M said:
Preferably, I'd want to do theoretical work (based upon my minimal knowledge topological insulators or Bose-Einstein condensates seem like interesting areas), although I know employability favors the practical facets of the subject.

Then make sure you equip yourself with strong computational/data analysis/etc. skills, because you may have to call up on those when you are looking for jobs outside of physics.

Zz.
 

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