Graduate Key problems in classical and quantum measurement

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The discussion centers on the complexities of measurement in classical and quantum mechanics, emphasizing that measurement cannot be treated as a primitive concept. Participants argue that traditional interpretations of quantum mechanics, which rely on miraculous processes for measurement results, are fundamentally flawed. The measurement problem is identified as a significant unsolved issue in both classical and quantum mechanics, requiring a thorough understanding of the statistical mechanics involved. The conversation highlights the need for a more rigorous theoretical framework that accurately describes the measurement process and its implications.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of quantum mechanics principles, including superposition and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle (HUP).
  • Familiarity with classical mechanics formulations, such as Newtonian, Lagrangian, and Hamiltonian mechanics.
  • Knowledge of statistical mechanics and its application to measurement problems.
  • Awareness of the philosophical implications of measurement in physics.
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  • Research the implications of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics.
  • Study the role of statistical mechanics in classical and quantum measurement problems.
  • Examine the differences between classical and quantum interpretations of measurement outcomes.
  • Explore advanced topics in quantum foundations, including wave function collapse and nonlocality.
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Physicists, philosophers of science, and students of quantum mechanics seeking to deepen their understanding of the measurement problem and its foundational implications in both classical and quantum frameworks.

  • #31
Prathyush said:
The well known problem of classical stability of the atom would apply.
Only if you model atoms as composite. But one can model atoms as point particles with effective interactions.

Prathyush said:
Its probably much easier to do if you work with hard potentials
Yes, but then it is not microscopic. The challenge in solving the quantum mechanical measurement problem also goes away if you don't model the detectors as multiparticle systems. Nothing worth doing remains once you take an apparatus as a black box with simplified laws - whether exact reflection classically or some form of collapse quantum mechanically. The foundational challenge is to show how these assumptions are compatible with an underlying microscopic dynamical law. The work by Allahverdyan, Balian and Nieuwenhuizen is relevant only if one is interested in taking up this challenge.

Prathyush said:
You can always construct a domino like effect, with a ball on top of a potential rolling down knocking out other which are heavier etc.
There are indeed papers that address this quantum mechanically, using multiparticle models. Doing the same with classical multiparticle models is an interesting challenge.
 

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