Killing Osama morally justifiable?

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The discussion centers on the moral justification of killing Osama bin Laden, exploring the ethical implications of military actions taken on foreign soil. Participants engage with the broader question of whether such actions can be morally justified in the context of national defense and the fight against terrorism.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the question of moral justification for killing bin Laden may be better framed as a question about the morality of military action on foreign soil.
  • One participant argues that killing bin Laden can be easily justified morally due to his role as the leader of a terrorist organization that sought to kill Americans, framing it as a defensive act in a war initiated by him.
  • Another participant expresses no hesitation in considering the act of killing bin Laden as moral, citing the significant loss of life he was responsible for.
  • Some participants reference the perspective that U.S. laws and judicial procedures do not apply in the context of war, suggesting that this may influence the moral considerations of such actions.
  • A participant shares a detailed account of President Obama's announcement regarding the operation that killed bin Laden, emphasizing the context of national grief and the perceived necessity of the action taken.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the moral justification of killing bin Laden, with some agreeing on its justification based on his actions, while others raise questions about the framing of the moral implications of military actions in general. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of moral justification in military actions, noting the dependence on definitions of legality and morality, as well as the context of war. There are unresolved questions regarding the applicability of U.S. laws in such scenarios.

  • #31
JaredJames said:
Morals are personal things. Your morals =/= my morals.

Same goes for ethics.

You are looking at this as if there is one correct view of right and wrong. This just isn't the case.

Quite right. The concept of morality is purely subjective. Asking whether or not something is moral is meaningless and silly.
 
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  • #32
JaredJames said:
Apparently, according to the papers he did prefer death. But that's a non-issue here.

There are a lot of people who think it was morally wrong to kill him. There are a lot of people who think he should rot in jail.

This is why we go with law, not moral beliefs.

From Bin Laden's moral point of view (possibly KSM as well) it is morally wrong to lock them in a cage - they prefer to die (apparently)? If a prisoner (who will never be freed) wants to die - why should we not honor their wishes?
 
  • #33
WhoWee said:
If a prisoner (who will never be freed) wants to die - why should we not honor their wishes?

I have a friend who is strongly opposed to the death penalty. Her moral view on the issue is that it is giving them the easy way out and it shouldn't be available (it isn't in Britain where we are). They should serve the sentence they are given as punishment.

And why should we honour Bin Ladens moral opinion over that of someone else? Why is his suddenly the one we should go with?

Can you see the point I'm trying to make regarding the question of morality?
 
  • #34
JaredJames said:
I have a friend who is strongly opposed to the death penalty. Her moral view on the issue is that it is giving them the easy way out and it shouldn't be available (it isn't in Britain where we are). They should serve the sentence they are given as punishment.

And why should we honour Bin Ladens moral opinion over that of someone else? Why is his suddenly the one we should go with?

Can you see the point I'm trying to make regarding the question of morality?

I understand your point. I'm just glad he's dead - NEXT!
 
  • #35
Hurkyl said:
From your post, it sounds like you aren't interested in the question "Was killing Osama morally justifiable", but are instead interested in a question more like "Is taking military action on foreign soil morally justifiable?" Could you clarify your intent?

I guess the intent was to start a discussion of some of the issures raised in the broadcast.

But judging from the posts so far, I don't see any evidence that anybody actually took the time to listen to it.
 
  • #36
AlephZero said:
But judging from the posts so far, I don't see any evidence that anybody actually took the time to listen to it.

Regardless of the issue, my posts regarding morality stand.
 
  • #37
AlephZero said:
I guess the intent was to start a discussion of some of the issures raised in the broadcast.

But judging from the posts so far, I don't see any evidence that anybody actually took the time to listen to it.

Admittedly, we've strayed a bit - would you care to guide us back on-track?
 
  • #38
AlephZero said:
But judging from the posts so far, I don't see any evidence that anybody actually took the time to listen to it.
You can't reasonably expect someone to spend 45 minutes of their life without even knowing what topic you are actually interested in!

As for me personally, there's an extra factor: I despise listening to recordings (especially videos) for these sorts of things -- I would feel like I've wasted 45 minutes of my life receiving content that I could have (more easily and clearly!) gotten through 5-10 minutes of reading if it was presented as such.

Also, since you didn't provide direction at the beginning, the thread did as threads naturally do -- people supply their own topics. It was clear from the opening post that was going to happen, which is why I tried to prompt you to to provide that direction.
 
  • #39
I'm still waiting for an answer from the OP regarding whose morals we are using and why it should be those ones, and thus answering the question by itself.

Or does the thread title have nothing to do with the content of that video?
 
  • #40
This is not productive. Closed.
 

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