Killing vector field => global isomorphisms?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Killing vector fields and global isometries on manifolds, particularly focusing on the implications of vector fields defined on non-compact manifolds. Participants explore the conditions under which flows generated by Killing vector fields can be globally defined and whether these flows correspond to isometries.

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  • Some participants propose that a globally defined Killing vector field should yield global isometries, questioning whether there is a bijective correspondence between them.
  • Others argue that for non-compact manifolds, the flow generated by a vector field may not be defined for all points, using the open upper half-plane as an example.
  • A later reply suggests that if the manifold is compact, it can be covered by finitely many open sets where the flow is defined, allowing for global definition under certain conditions.
  • Some participants note that complete vector fields can exist even on non-compact manifolds, providing examples to illustrate this point.
  • There is a challenge regarding the completeness of a specific vector field, with one participant asserting that it does not preserve the metric, thus failing to be a Killing field.
  • Another participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the properties of a vector field on the upper half-plane, leading to further clarification about the existence of maximal flows.

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Participants express differing views on the existence of global isometries related to Killing vector fields, particularly in the context of non-compact manifolds. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of completeness and the specific properties of vector fields.

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Limitations include the dependence on the compactness of the manifold and the specific definitions of vector fields and isometries. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps regarding the preservation of metrics by certain vector fields.

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Suppose we have a vector field ##V## defined everywhere on a manifold ##M##. Consider now point ##p \in M##. As a consequence of the existence and uniqueness theorem of differential equations. this implies that ##V## gives rise to a unique local flow
$$\theta:(-\epsilon,\epsilon) \times U \to M$$
for ##(-\epsilon,\epsilon) \in \mathbb{R}## and ##p \in U## where ##U## is an open subset of M.

Now if ##\theta_t(p) = \theta(t,p)##, and if ##V## is a killing field, then ##\theta_t: U \to M## should be isometries. But do they belong to isometry group ##Isom(M)##? I.e. are they global as a consequence of ##V## being globally defined and a killing field?

Is there not a bijective correspondence between global isometries and globally defined Killing vector fields?
 
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The issue is that for a given t, no matter how small, \theta_t(p) may not be defined for all p in M. The typical example is M= open upper half plane and V = -\partial/\partial y. Given any t, you can always choose For p=(x,y) with y small enough so that the flow at time t is not defined (because following the flow would "take us out of M").

But if M is compact, you can cover it with finitely many open sets U_i on which the flow is defined on (-\epsilon_i,\epsilon_i). Then for |t|<\epsilon:=\min_i\epsilon_i, the flow is defined globally.

Also, if V is complete, then its flow is defined on all M for all t.
 
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quasar987 said:
The issue is that for a given t, no matter how small, \theta_t(p) may not be defined for all p in M. The typical example is M= open upper half plane and V = -\partial/\partial y. Given any t, you can always choose For p=(x,y) with y small enough so that the flow at time t is not defined (because following the flow would "take us out of M").

But if M is compact, you can cover it with finitely many open sets U_i on which the flow is defined on (-\epsilon_i,\epsilon_i). Then for |t|<\epsilon:=\min_i\epsilon_i, the flow is defined globally.

Also, if V is complete, then its flow is defined on all M for all t.

I see the problem here when ##M## is not compact. Does this then imply that ##\text{Isom(M)}## does not contain any globally defined one-parameter subgroups? For then it seems possible to use these to define a global action who's induced vector field would be Killing fields.
 
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Even if M is not compact there can exist complete vector fields.

For instance, let f:R-->R be a smooth "bump function" which is 0 on [0,½] and 1 on [1,oo), and let V'(x,y):=-f(y)\partial/\partial y. This is a Killing field on our open half plane whose flow is defined on all of M for all t.
 
quasar987 said:
Even if M is not compact there can exist complete vector fields.

For instance, let f:R-->R be a smooth "bump function" which is 0 on [0,½] and 1 on [1,oo), and let V'(x,y):=-f(y)\partial/\partial y. This is a Killing field on our open half plane whose flow is defined on all of M for all t.

I have to disagree there. ##V' \equiv - f(y) \, \partial_y## is not Killing on the upper-half-plane with standard Euclidean metric (which I think you have been discussing):

\mathcal{L}_{V'} \big( dx \otimes dx + dy \otimes dy \big) = - 2 \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} \, dy \otimes dy \neq 0.
Your attempt to "compress" the flow of ##V'## causes it to fail to preserve the metric between ##\frac12 < y < 1##.

The upper-half-plane with Euclidean metric is geodesically incomplete, which is why ##V \equiv \partial_y## fails to be a global isometry.
 
Oh yes of course, bad example! Thx Ben.
 
I should maybe say then that d/dx is Killing complete on the open upper half-plane.
 

After reading up on flows in John Lee's "introduction to smooth manifolds" at page 212 he states the fundamental theorem of flows which asserts that given a smooth vector field ##V## on ##M## there exists a unique smooth maximal flow ##\theta: D \to M##, where ##D## is an open subset of ##\mathbb{R} \times M##, such that ##\theta^{(p)}: (-\epsilon_p,\epsilon_p) \to M## is the unique maximal integral curve starting at ##p##.

I might have misunderstood your argument for ##-\partial_y## on the upper half plane, but does it not imply that such a maximal flow does not exist?
 
Never mind. I got it straighten out.
 

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