Finding Killing Vectors for $$ds^2 = dr^2 + r^2d\theta^2$$

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter davidge
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Vectors
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on identifying the Killing vectors for the metric $$ds^2 = dr^2 + r^2d\theta^2$$, which represents the Euclidean metric in polar coordinates. The three Killing vectors identified are: $$\xi_r = \cos \theta$$, $$\xi_\theta = -r \sin \theta$$; $$\xi_r = \sin \theta$$, $$\xi_\theta = r \cos \theta$$; and $$\xi_r = 0$$, $$\xi_\theta = r^2$$. The participants confirm that these vectors satisfy the Killing equations, although there is a discussion about the independence of these vectors, noting that in 2D, only two independent Killing vectors should exist.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Killing vectors and Killing equations in differential geometry.
  • Familiarity with polar coordinates and their representation in Euclidean space.
  • Basic knowledge of vector fields and their properties in mathematical physics.
  • Proficiency in differential equations and their applications in geometry.
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the properties of Killing vectors in 2D geometries.
  • Learn about the implications of linear combinations of vector fields in differential geometry.
  • Explore the relationship between Killing vectors and symmetries in physical systems.
  • Investigate the role of vector fields in the context of general relativity and Riemannian geometry.
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, physicists, and students specializing in differential geometry, general relativity, or mathematical physics who are interested in the properties and applications of Killing vectors and vector fields.

davidge
Messages
553
Reaction score
21
I have tried to find the three Killing vectors for the metric $$ds^2 = dr^2 + r^2d \theta^2$$ that is, the Euclidean metric of ##\mathbb{R}^2## written in polar coordinates. I found these to be

$$\bigg(\text{first}\bigg) \ \ \xi_r = \text{Cos} \theta \\
\xi_\theta = -\text{rSin} \theta \\

\bigg(\text{second}\bigg) \ \ \xi_r = \text{Sin} \theta \\
{\xi_\theta = \text{rCos} \theta} \\

\bigg(\text{third}\bigg) \ \ \xi_r = 0 \\
\xi_\theta = \text{r²}$$ As I have found solutions only for 3d on web, I would like to know whether these are correct or not.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Why don't you check whether or not they satisfy the Killing equations?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: davidge
Orodruin said:
Why don't you check whether or not they satisfy the Killing equations?
I did
And they do satisfy the Killing equation.
 
davidge said:
I did
And they do satisfy the Killing equation.
And thus they are Killing vector fields ...
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: davidge
Orodruin said:
And thus they are Killing vector fields ...
:biggrin:
 
What bothers me is that in 2d we should have only two independent vectors. So I should be able to get one of those three above by a linear combination of the other two, but when I do that, I get non constant coefficients multiplying them.
 
These are vector fields, not vectors.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: davidge
Orodruin said:
These are vector fields, not vectors.
So they are'nt vectors? Can you say a bit more on this please
 
There is no such thing as a "Killing vector". The Killing equation is a differential equation and as such describes vector fields, ie, assignments of one vector to each point in the space.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: davidge
  • #10
Orodruin said:
assignments of one vector to each point in the space
For instance, what could be such one vector?
 
  • #11
You wrote down several vector fields (in coordinate basis) in the firs post.
 
  • #12
Orodruin said:
You wrote down several vector fields (in coordinate basis) in the firs post.
But you say they aren't vectors. I asked for an example of assigment of a vector by a vector field
 
  • #13
Your field is an assignment of a (dual) vector to every point in space!

For example, for ##\theta = 0## (and arbitrary r) your first field takes the value ##\xi = dr##, where ##dr## is the coordinate basis dual vector.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: davidge
  • #14
Orodruin said:
Your field is an assignment of a (dual) vector to every point in space!

For example, for ##\theta = 0## (and arbitrary r) your first field takes the value ##\xi = dr##, where ##dr## is the coordinate basis dual vector.
I got it. Thanks.
 
  • #15
Is it correct to say that they are three independent vector fields? In the sense that one cannot be expressed as a multiple of another one.

Also, if we evaluate any of them at a particular point ##(r, \theta)## do they form three linearly dependent vectors?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
4K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K