Kinematics in multiple frames

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The discussion focuses on kinematics involving a helicopter moving in a circular path, with specific equations detailing the relationships between velocities and angular velocities. The velocity transfer relations are used to derive expressions for the velocities of points B and A relative to frame O, incorporating factors like acceleration and angular motion. There is a mention of the helicopter blades oscillating, which is linked to the concept of "dis-symmetry of lift" affecting their performance during forward motion. Clarifications are sought regarding the notation and the meaning of certain equations, particularly the timing of evaluations related to the helicopter's motion. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of analyzing motion in multiple frames and the importance of precise mathematical representation.
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Homework Statement
A helicopter turns in a horizontal circle with ##O## moving in a circle of radius ##R## at speed ##v##, which is increasing at the rate of ##\dot{v}## , ##t=\frac{\pi}{4p}## . The helicopter blades osscilate with ##\theta=\theta_{\circ}+\theta_1 \sin pt## . Find ##\vec{v_{BO}} ,\vec{v_{AO}}## at ##t=\frac{\pi}{4p}##
Relevant Equations
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We know $$\vec{v}_{B/O} \equiv \vec{v}_{B/1}$$ $$v_{O/F} = v\hat{e}_t$$ $$a_{O/F} = \dot{v}\hat{e}_t + \frac{v^2}{R} \hat{e}_n$$\$$\omega_{1/F} = -\omega \hat{j}$$ $$\omega_{2/1} = \dot{\theta} \hat{i}$$Using velocity transfer relations, $$v_{B/F} = v_{B/1} + v_{O/F} + \omega_{1/F} \times OB$$ $$v_{B/F} = v_{B/2} + v_{A/F} + \omega_{2/F} \times AB$$ $$v_{A/F} = v_{A/1} + v_{O/F} + \omega_{1/F} \times OA$$ By additivity of angular velocities, we can find ##\omega_{2/F} ##.Since ## v_{B/2} = 0##and ## v_{A/1} = 0## , we get $$v_{B/1} = \hat{i} \left(-\omega a + \omega b \sin\theta - \omega \theta_1 b p \sin(pt) \right) + \hat{j} \left(\theta_1 b p \sin(pt) \sin\theta\right) + \hat{k} \left(\theta_1 b p \sin\theta \sin(pt)\right)$$
 
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Bling Fizikst said:
I asked chatgpt to correct it yet it is not rendering here
Orodruin said:
You cannot use regular LaTeX delimiters. Writing LaTeX here requires different delimiters. See https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
Or, even better, ask Chatgpt to follow the link that @Orodruin provided. It might "learn" something.
 
Bling Fizikst said:
Homework Statement: A helicopter turns in a horizontal circle with ##O## moving in a circle of radius ##R## at speed ##v##, which is increasing at the rate of ##\dot{v}## , ##t=\frac{\pi}{4p}## . The helicopter blades osscilate with ##\theta=\theta_{\circ}+\theta_1 \sin pt## . Find ##\vec{v_{BO}} ,\vec{v_{AO}}## at ##t=\frac{\pi}{4p}##
Relevant Equations: below

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We know $$\vec{v}_{B/O} \equiv \vec{v}_{B/1}$$ $$v_{O/F} = v\hat{e}_t$$ $$a_{O/F} = \dot{v}\hat{e}_t + \frac{v^2}{R} \hat{e}_n$$ $$\omega_{1/F} = -\omega \hat{j}$$ $$\omega_{2/1} = \dot{\theta} \hat{i}$$Using velocity transfer relations, $$v_{B/F} = v_{B/1} + v_{O/F} + \omega_{1/F} \times OB$$ $$v_{B/F} = v_{B/2} + v_{A/F} + \omega_{2/F} \times AB$$ $$v_{A/F} = v_{A/1} + v_{O/F} + \omega_{1/F} \times OA$$ By additivity of angular velocities, we can find ##\omega_{2/F} ##.Since ## v_{B/2} = 0##and ## v_{A/1} = 0## , we get $$v_{B/1} = \hat{i} \left(-\omega a + \omega b \sin\theta - \omega \theta_1 b p \sin(pt) \right) + \hat{j} \left(\theta_1 b p \sin(pt) \sin\theta\right) + \hat{k} \left(\theta_1 b p \sin\theta \sin(pt)\right)$$
you had an extra "\" in there.
 
erobz said:
you had an extra "\" in there.
thank you
 
Bling Fizikst said:
I asked chatgpt to correct it yet it is not rendering here
Use ## on both sides of the text to wrap the Latex.
 
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Bling Fizikst said:
Homework Statement: A helicopter turns in a horizontal circle with ##O## moving in a circle of radius ##R##
Not sure what that means. Is the helicopter moving in a circle about O, or does O represent the helicopter and that is moving in a circle about something else, or should it say that the helicopter blades move in a horizontal circle about O (which represents the circling helicopter)?
Bling Fizikst said:
at speed ##v##, which is increasing at the rate of ##\dot{v}## , ##t=\frac{\pi}{4p}## .
What does that equation for t mean there? Is it just (prematurely) stating the time at which ##\theta## is to be evaluated, or is it intended to allow us to evaluate ##v## similarly? If the latter, we would have to know ##v(0)##.
 
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Bling Fizikst said:
The helicopter blades oscillate with ##\theta=\theta_{\circ}+\theta_1 \sin pt## .
It seems that the cited oscillation is known as flapping of the helicopter blades.

Copied from
http://www.pilotfriend.com/training/flight_training/rotary/helis.htm

"Once the aircraft moves forward, it begins to change this balance. If we travel 10 MPH forward, then the forward moving, or advancing rotor blade, is experiencing 110 MPH of wind speed, and the rearward, or retreating blade, is experiencing only 90 MPH of wind speed.

When this happens, we get an unbalanced condition, and the advancing blade experiencing more lift wants to climb, while the retreating blade experiences less lift and wants to drop. This is where we get the term "Dis-Symmetry of lift". The lift is not symmetrical around the entire rotor system.

How do we compensate for this situation? We compensate by allowing the rotor to flap. By allowing the advancing blade to flap upward, and the retreating blade to flap downward, it changes the angle of incidence on both rotor blades which balances out the entire rotor system. As you can see in this simple graphic, there are a few ways to allow for blade flapping.

One is to allow the blades to flap on hinges (Articulated rotor system)."

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