Kinematics: Traveling in an arc

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving a cannonball fired from a cliff, requiring calculations related to projectile motion, including time of flight, range, and velocities at impact.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate time, range, and velocities but expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem due to the arc of the motion.
  • Some participants question the understanding of projectile motion and suggest breaking down the velocity into horizontal and vertical components.
  • There is a discussion about the assumptions made regarding the horizontal distance and the nature of the velocities involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering clarifications and corrections regarding the understanding of horizontal and vertical components of motion. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants confirming the original poster's calculations while also pointing out areas of confusion.

Contextual Notes

The original poster has not previously learned about projectile motion, which may be impacting their understanding of the problem. There are also some typographical errors in the calculations that have been acknowledged and corrected during the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Consider a cannonball being fired with a velocity of 30m/s from a cliff of height 45m.

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(a) Calculate the time taken for the ball to reach the ground.

(b) Calculate the range of the motion.

(c) Calculate the horizontal velocity, vertical velocity, and the velocity of the cannon ball as it touches the ground.

Homework Equations



4 kinematics formula.

The Attempt at a Solution



(a) using s=vt+0.5at^2
I found out t=3.0sI am having a hard time with (b) and (c) because it is traveling in an arc. I am not sure how I should proceed.

(b) I don't think I can assume the calculation that it travels in a straight line down, then use trigonometry to find the range. What other ways can I think of?

(c) If I use "v(f) = v(i) + at" then it will the final velocity will be 60m/s, assuming acceleration (due to gravity) = 10m/s^2. However is this 60m/s the vertical velocity or the velocity as it touches the ground?

From my understanding v(f) = 60m/s is the vertical velocity. Once I have the range (horizontal distance) I can use it to find the horizontal velocity. Using vector concept, taking
vertical velocity - horizontal velocity
= velocity as it touches the ground.

I am having a hard time figuring out the horizontal distance.

Correct me if I am wrong.
Which concept am I not getting it? Hope someone can help me. Thank you.
 
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Have you dealt with projectile motion questions in the past?
 
Hi PWiz. No I have not learned projectile motion. How should I understand the concept?

Thanks
 
You will first have to understand that velocity in two dimensional motion can always be resolved into it's x and y components. If I throw a ball with an initial velocity ##u## into the air at an acute angle theta from the surface, the ball takes an approximately curved (parabolic) path. Can you give me expressions for the two components(x and y) of the velocity in terms of ##u## and theta right at the beginning?
 
Ohhh! I keep thinking because it is an arc and didn't break down into it's horizontal and vertical direction. Here is what I did. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I understand that horizontal distance is constant = 30m/s

So I know the time taken is 3.0sec. 30x3 = 90m.
Therefore, horizontal distance = 30m

Now I can I use v(f) = v(i) + at to find my vertical velocity. Since v(i) = 0m/s
I get 30m/s.

Using vector concept and pythagoras theorem,
final velocity as it touches the ground
= sqrt[(horizontal velocity)^2 + (veritcal velocity)^2]
approximately 42m/s.

I feel makes sense. Am I wrong in ny concept? Thank you.
 
zesi said:
I understand that horizontal distance is constant = 30m/s
I think you mean the magnitude of the horizontal velocity is 30 m/s .
zesi said:
horizontal distance = 30m
I take it that this is also a typo; you've correctly evaluated the distance to be approximately 90m previously.

Other than these two things, your answer (and understanding) is perfectly fine.
 
Oh so sorry! Yes I got.

magnitude of Horizontal velocity= 30m/s.

Horizontal distance = 90m

Sorry made a very bad typo.

Thank you for the confirmation PWiz
 

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