Kinetic Energy and height unknown

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The discussion revolves around determining the height from which a car was dropped, given its kinetic energy and speed just before impact. The subject area includes concepts of kinetic energy, potential energy, and conservation of energy in a gravitational field.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy and potential energy, questioning how to find the height based on the given speed and mass of the car. There are discussions about the conservation of total energy and the equations for potential and kinetic energy.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided hints and guidance regarding the use of potential energy equations and the conservation of energy principle. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply these concepts to find the unknown height, with some participants expressing confusion about the process.

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Some participants are unsure about the application of the equations and whether the total energy calculated earlier can be directly used to find the height. There is a mix of understanding regarding the relationship between kinetic and potential energy in this context.

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Homework Statement


Determine the KE of a 2000 kg car with speed = 22.3 m/s.

Homework Equations


E = 0.5 x 2000 x 22.3^2= 497290 Joules or 497 KJ.

The Attempt at a Solution


Above.

The car is lifted vertically and dropped from rest. Find the height from which it was released if v before hitting the ground = 22.3m/s.

Here I don't know what to do...

Thanks!
 
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Hint: Potential energy
 
Another hint:Think of total energy, what can you say about the total energy of the car?
 
Is this for the first or the second question?
 
both hints , are for the second part, where you need to know the height.
 
PE = m x g x h
m = 2000Kg
g = 9.8 m/s^2
h = the unknown
PE = ? is it related to v?
 
the potential enegry at the height h, should be equale to the potential energy of the car as it reach the ground..
Et=Ek+Ep
Et is conserved..
can you continue now ?
 
Is the total energy the value I found in the first part? 497 KJ?
So I divide 497 by 2 to find Ep?
And then I can find h...

Is this correct?
 
I think ziad meant to say, "the potential enegry at the height h, should be equal to the kinetic energy of the car as it reach the ground."

In general, for a particle moving in a gravitational field not affected by forces of friction and such, the total energy will remain a constant, and it will be equal to the sum of its (gravitational) potential and kinetic energies.
 
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  • #10
I am completely confused... Could you show me what you would do so that I can understand the process?
Do we still use: PE = m x g x h and Et=Ek+Ep ?

Thank you...
 
  • #11
future_vet said:
Do we still use: PE = m x g x h and Et=Ek+Ep ?

Yes.

Et, at all times, is a constant.

When the car is at a height h (which you need to find out), its potential energy(Ep) is mgh, but it is at rest, so Ek = ?

But when the car hits the ground, it does so with some velocity, and you already know what it's kinetic energy is at the velocity. If you take the ground to be the 0 of the height, Ep at the bottom = ?

Et(at h) = Et(at 0), solve for h.
 
  • #12
Here's what I did, if it's not right, then I have no clue...

h = 1/2mv^2/mg=1/2v^2/g
= (22.3^2 x 0.5)/9.8 = 25.4 meters.
 
  • #13
That's right.
 
  • #14
Thank you!
 

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