Kinetic or Thermodynamic Stability: What's the Difference?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of kinetic and thermodynamic stability, particularly in relation to oxides. Participants explore the definitions, implications, and relationships between these two types of stability in chemical reactions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of kinetic and thermodynamic stability in the context of oxides and the processes related to each type of stability.
  • Another participant explains that a reaction may be kinetically stable if the activation energy is high, even if the products are thermodynamically more stable based on enthalpy and free energy considerations.
  • A participant notes that stability is a vague concept influenced by various factors and suggests that the original question may relate to an academic context, such as organic chemistry or physical chemistry lab work.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that a thermodynamically favored reaction may not occur if it is not kinetically favored, using the example of diamond converting to graphite at standard temperature and pressure (STP).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express similar views regarding the relationship between kinetic and thermodynamic stability, but the discussion remains unresolved as to the implications and specific examples of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors influencing stability, including activation energy and environmental context, but do not resolve the complexities or dependencies of these factors.

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I have problem understanding
what does mean when we talk about kinetic and thermodynamic stability of an oxide?
Which process is related to the kinetic and which to the thermodynamically stability?
Thank you!
 
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At a certain temperature, the activation energy of a particular reaction or set of reactions in general of the oxide may be high, it is kinetically stable in that sense. The products of those reactions though, may be more stable in relevance to thermodynamic parameters such as enthalpy and free energy of the reaction (not the free energy of activation).

I don't have much experience with oxides besides, time of flight. Certain oxide/metal compositions are more stable than others, and this was based on a quantum level explanation, I'll need to find the link, just don't remember at the moment.

Stability is a rather vague concept because it's related to so many factors, but I'm guessing your question is in reference to an organic chemistry course or perhaps a particular physical chemistry lab assignment. Nitrogen is stable at room temperature in air, place it in a different context such as with different reactants and its stability is compromised.
 
Thank you!
 
So if a reaction that is thermodynamically favored may not occur due to it not being kinetically favored? For example if the activation energy is very high, then the reaction will not be observed even though the enthalpy of reaction and change in energy of the reaction is negative (products have less energy)?
 
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So if a reaction that is thermodynamically favored may not occur due to it not being kinetically favored? For example if the activation energy is very high, then the reaction will not be observed even though the enthalpy of reaction and change in energy of the reaction is negative (products have less energy)?
Correct; consider the conversion of diamond to graphite at STP, (for example...)
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