Question about simple kinetics and stoichiometry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the kinetics of a simple reaction involving species A and I, specifically examining the implications of different stoichiometric representations on the rate equations. Participants explore the relationship between reaction stoichiometry and kinetics in the context of batch reactors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a reaction and its rate equation, questioning the physical meaning of stoichiometry in kinetics compared to chemistry.
  • Another participant asserts that the rate constant k is dependent on how the reaction is written, indicating that different representations lead to different rate equations.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes that the kinetics of a reaction cannot be inferred solely from the overall reaction equation, suggesting the need to identify elementary steps for accurate kinetic calculations.
  • Further clarification is provided that the kinetics for the two representations of the reaction differ, with specific rate equations associated with each form.
  • Another participant reiterates the need to understand the kinetics in relation to the specific chemical equation presented.
  • One participant provides an integrated form of the rate equation, contributing to the mathematical aspect of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the kinetics of a reaction are not directly derivable from the overall stoichiometric equation, and that different representations can lead to different interpretations of the rate laws. However, there is no consensus on the implications of these differences or how they should be addressed in practice.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the kinetics depend on the elementary steps of the reaction, which may not be immediately apparent from the overall reaction equation. There is also mention of the need for clarity regarding the definitions and assumptions underlying the rate constants used.

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Hi, I'm having trouble with this simple reaction (1):

$$A + A → I$$

with ##R = kC^2_A##

I'm assuming it takes place in a Batch reactor so the mass balance should yield:

$$\frac {dC_A} {dt} = -2R = -2kC^2_A$$

But, as I recall (I should be wrong though), stoichiometry in thermodynamics and kinetics is just "math": it does not have any "physical" meaning (unlike in chemistry), but it only serves to assure mass is conserved during the reaction.

So I can re-write reaction (1) like:

$$ A → \frac 1 2 I$$

But now:

$$\frac {dC_A} {dt} = -R = -kC^2_A$$

What am I missing ?
 
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Your k will depend on how you write the reaction.
 
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dRic2 said:
What am I missing ?

The rate equation is given for a specific chemical equation. That means A+A→I and A → ½ I have different rate equations.
 
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That makes a lot of sense! Thank you very much :)
 
Or to put it differently, the kinetics of a reaction cannot be read off from the overall reaction equation. Even reactions of the from A->B seldomly follow an unimolecular reaction kinetics. You will have to find the elementary steps and the kinetic can be calculated from these elementary steps. In unimolecular reactions,
the steps may be: A+M -> A* +M, where M is a collision partner, and A*->B. The total kinetics will depend on which of the two steps is faster.
 
DrDu said:
You will have to find the elementary steps and the kinetic can be calculated from these elementary steps.

That's another topic. If I understand the OP correctly than he already knows the kinetics of the reaction A + A → I and wonders what that means for the same reaction written as A → ½ I. In that case the kinetics R1 = k·[A]² for the first chemical equation just turns into R2 = 2·k·[A]² for the second one.
 
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Yes, that was what I was asking about. Sorry for may late reply and thanks a lot again!
 
It’s dA/dt = k(A)^2

And the integrated form or solution is 1/A = 1A0 + 2kt
 

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