Kinetics/Motion in 2D/Energy question

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the energy storage capacity of a car battery system and its efficiency in relation to the power required for an electric car to maintain a constant speed. The subject area includes concepts from kinetics, energy, and efficiency in the context of electric vehicles.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore how to calculate the distance the car can travel based on battery capacity and power requirements. There are attempts to apply kinetic energy formulas and efficiency calculations, while some participants question the relevance of mass and kinetic energy in this scenario.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, revisiting their calculations and questioning the assumptions made about kinetic energy and its role in the overall energy consumption of the car. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to focus on power drawn from the batteries and how long that power can sustain the vehicle's operation.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the application of kinetic energy in a constant velocity scenario, and participants are working through the implications of battery efficiency and power requirements without reaching a consensus on the correct approach.

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Homework Statement


A 12V car battery is capable of storing 3.51 kWh of electric energy. For a certain electric car to maintain a speed of 48.3 km/hr, it must develop 10.7 kW of power. If this car is run by 11 batteries which are 90.5% efficient, how far can this car travel, at the desired speed, between recharges?
V= 48.3 m/s (yes constant motion)
P=10700W
efficiency= 90.5%
Each battery capacity= 3510W
Uses 11 batteries

Homework Equations


E= (Wo / Wi ) *100[/B]
E= .5 * m * v^2
W= P*t

The Attempt at a Solution


1. Since its going at a constant velocity, i can find the mass. Using the Energy kinetic formula.
2.Finding the mass i can plug it into the efficiency formula to get its work output.
3. its using 11 batteries that are 90.5% efficient. So on the denominator of the efficiency formula it would be 11* 3510W because each capacity is 3.51kWh.
5.the numerator would be the Energy kinetic formula * 100 and then the efficiency would be 90.5%
6. Getting the time i could multiply it with the velocity to get its distance?
 

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Curious&TheNon said:
Since its going at a constant velocity, i can find the mass. Using the Energy kinetic formula.
Since it's at constant velocity, the KE is constant. The energy from the batteries is not being used to add to KE, so it won't tell you the mass. Neither KE nor the mass are of interest here.
You are told how much power it needs to supply to the wheels, and you know the efficiency, so how much power must be drawn from the batteries?
How long can the batteries supply that power for?
 
haruspex said:
Since it's at constant velocity, the KE is constant. The energy from the batteries is not being used to add to KE, so it won't tell you the mass. Neither KE nor the mass are of interest here.
You are told how much power it needs to supply to the wheels, and you know the efficiency, so how much power must be drawn from the batteries?
How long can the batteries supply that power for?

Okay ignoring the kinetic formula, my bad wasnt thinking straight. Re doing the effieciency formula it would be 90.5%= (10700W*100%/ (11* (3.51kWh*3.6E6)t)
 
Curious&TheNon said:
Okay ignoring the kinetic formula, my bad wasnt thinking straight. Re doing the effieciency formula it would be 90.5%= (10700W*100%/ (11* (3.51kWh*3.6E6)t)
Using this formula we're able to calculate how long the batteries will last at the power to run the car.?
 
Curious&TheNon said:
Okay ignoring the kinetic formula, my bad wasnt thinking straight. Re doing the effieciency formula it would be 90.5%= (10700W*100%/ (11* (3.51kWh*3.6E6)t)
Close, but if you check the dimensions you'll find it doesn't make sense. You have power/(energy*time).
 

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