Kirchhoff and Potentials question.

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit analysis problem involving Kirchhoff's laws, specifically focusing on calculating currents (i1, i2, i3) and electrical potentials (Va, Vb, Vc, Vd, Ve, Vo) in a given circuit diagram. The original poster expresses uncertainty due to a lack of prior knowledge in physics, as the assignment was given without detailed instruction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest using Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) to set up equations for the circuit. There are discussions about writing loop equations for different meshes and using nodal analysis to find currents and potentials. The original poster questions the ground reference point in the circuit and expresses confusion about the equations needed for the nodes.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, including suggestions for writing equations based on KCL and KVL. The original poster is actively seeking clarification on terminology and the correct application of these laws, indicating a productive exchange of ideas, though no consensus has been reached on the specific methods to apply.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions a tight deadline for the homework and expresses concern about their understanding of the material, which may affect the depth of the discussion. There is also a note about a potential error in the labeling of the ground reference in the circuit diagram.

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Excuse me but, this is a rough translaton from a Portuguese homework.
Also, excuse me for my lack of knowledge in some physics, I do a programming course and one of the teachers said we had to know about this.

Homework Statement


http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7084/87202322av0.jpg
http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=181&i=87202322av0.jpg Taking into account the circuit above, answer these questions:
a) What is the value of i1, i2, i3
b) Calculate the potentials Va, Vb, Vc, Vd, Ve and Vo taking in account the ground (sorry I don't know the correct term, it's the value on the right.

Homework Equations


Kirchhoff law i1 = i2 + i3
V = RI
U = V - RI

The Attempt at a Solution


This teacher is known for being nasty with the students and he gave us this homework without any explanation only saying that we'd need to know about the Kirchhoff laws.
I only found about you guys today, and this homework is due tomorrow (it's worth the grades for the bimester)
So if possible, help! I'm reading a lot of books ATM and will keep updating here 'til the time to deliver the work.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hmm, I'd wager that fish don't get thirsty at all.

Anyway, as you said you have to use KCL and KVL. Write a loop KVL equation for I1, I2, I3 around the left circular mesh and one for the right mesh, plus KCL. Then solve for the unknowns.

As for the potentials, note that you didn't specify which point in the circuit it taken to be ground reference; your picture shows the ground node in the middle of the wires and not connected to them.
 
That'About the ground reference, that's how it is on paper.
There is a third question that asks what would happen if it changed to Vo.

Btw Co is should've been Vo. Sorry for the mistake.
 
Well, assuming Co is the ground potential, then you should use some nodal analysis to get the currents. Forget about KVL for now and the mesh analysis earlier, write a node current equation for every node Va, Vb, Vc, Ve. Note that by KCL, current flowing into a node = current flowing out of it.
 
Sorry, but what does KVL and KCL mean? I think I'm lost in translation here.
I got the part that in = out. I'm having problems finding out which equation I should use for the nodes. Should I do something like U = V ± R . I ?
If so, how should I put it from Va to Vb and from Vb to Vc ? U = V ± R . I1 + I2 + I3 ?
Thanks for the help!
I know very little physics though and since school ended (quite long ago) I haven't looked into it much.
 
KVL = Kirchoff's voltage law
KCL = Kirchoff's current law

You need to write an equation for the current flowing out and into each and every node. For example, the current flowing from Va to Vb across the 6k resistor is given by \frac{V_a - V_b}{6k}; current from Vb to Va in the opposite direction along the same path is given by -\frac{V_a - V_b}{6k}.
 

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