Kirchhoff's Rules Homework: Current & Voltage Measurements

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The discussion revolves around an experiment involving Kirchhoff's rules, specifically focusing on measuring current and voltage across resistors. The original poster questions the discrepancy between measured and theoretical current values, noting that the sum of currents at a junction does not equal zero, which raises concerns about the ideality of the circuit and the impact of resistance in wires and measuring devices.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the reasons behind the non-zero sum of currents at a junction, questioning whether non-ideal circuit conditions, such as wire resistance and equipment precision, could be contributing factors. They also discuss the potential impact of ammeter and voltmeter resistance on measurement accuracy.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about measurement fluctuations and the characteristics of the measuring equipment. Some guidance has been offered regarding the typical behavior of ammeters and the expected impact of resistance, but no consensus has been reached on the specific reasons for the observed discrepancies.

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There is an acknowledgment of potential limitations in the measuring equipment's precision and the influence of resistances in both the measuring devices and connecting wires. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the ideal conditions assumed in theoretical calculations versus the practical outcomes observed in the experiment.

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So i had to do an experiment which consisted of measuring the current and voltage across different resistors. Here's my question: i recorded the current through the wire that passes through the resistor and compared it with the current which i calculated (theoretical). In this case, when i apply the junction rule using the current i read from the ammeter, it is NOT equal to zero (somehow its higher than 0). Like why is this the case? I'm not sure if its right but could it be that we were not using an ideal circuit, that is, there is resistance in the wires that could have affected our ammeter readings? Like I'm thinking that the resistance in the wire also affect our voltmeter readings as well...am i on the right track?

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lha08 said:

Homework Statement


So i had to do an experiment which consisted of measuring the current and voltage across different resistors. Here's my question: i recorded the current through the wire that passes through the resistor and compared it with the current which i calculated (theoretical). In this case, when i apply the junction rule using the current i read from the ammeter, it is NOT equal to zero (somehow its higher than 0). Like why is this the case? I'm not sure if its right but could it be that we were not using an ideal circuit, that is, there is resistance in the wires that could have affected our ammeter readings? Like I'm thinking that the resistance in the wire also affect our voltmeter readings as well...am i on the right track?


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Are you saying that the sum of the current entering and leaving a node measured during a lab equaled a nonzero?
 
xcvxcvvc said:
Are you saying that the sum of the current entering and leaving a node measured during a lab equaled a nonzero?

when i calculated it i got like 0.07 A, which is obviously not equal to zero and does not obey the Junction Rule..and i can't figure out what particular reasons why this is..
 
lha08 said:
when i calculated it i got like 0.07 A, which is obviously not equal to zero and does not obey the Junction Rule..and i can't figure out what particular reasons why this is..

Hmm. Do you remember if during measurement the ammeter's readings fluctuated rapidly (such as +/- 50 mA)? Maybe your equipment's precision prevented the demonstration of junction rule.
 
xcvxcvvc said:
Hmm. Do you remember if during measurement the ammeter's readings fluctuated rapidly (such as +/- 50 mA)? Maybe your equipment's precision prevented the demonstration of junction rule.
They were fluctuating but not that quickly but that is a possibility. But like generally do ammeter and voltmeter equipment contain resistance or something that would cause discrepancies in their readings? But like i said earlier, could the connecting wires that i used also cause discrepancies because they have resistance? ..not really sure
 
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They were fluctuating but not that quickly but that is a possibility. But like generally do ammeter and voltmeter equipment contain resistance or something that would cause discrepancies in their readings? But like i said earlier, could the connecting wires that i used also cause discrepancies because they have resistance? ..not really sure

Ammeters have fractions of an ohm, so unless you were using relatively tiny resistances in your circuit (meaning those fractions of an ohm were significant), the ammeter's resistance doubtfully worsened your results.

With these types of measurements, usually there isn't much room for the theory to go wrong -- you have a flow of charge inward that must equal the flow of charge outward, else charge was created or destroyed. Yes, the actual current values will be different compared to the theoretical calculations (mostly due to the resistors' tolerances, wire resistance, etc.), but still, the sums leaving and entering should equal zero or a very small value due to rounding error/precision of the measuring device. 70mA seems high, though.
 
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