Kossel Lewis Approach To Chemical Bonding

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The discussion revolves around the Kossel-Lewis approach to chemical bonding, specifically focusing on the electron configuration of atoms and the limitations of Lewis theory in describing valence electrons. Participants explore the implications of electron shell capacity, particularly the assertion that the outer shell can accommodate a maximum of eight electrons, and how this applies to various elements, including iodine.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a shell can hold a maximum of 2n² electrons, leading to confusion about the outer shell being limited to the L shell with n=2.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the electron counting rule is only exact for hydrogen and that other atoms have sub-shells (s, p, d, f) that affect electron configuration.
  • There is a discussion about the valence electrons of iodine, where one participant clarifies that the valence electrons are from the O shell (n=5), not the L shell, and that the outer shell is not fully filled.
  • Participants express confusion about the Lewis theory's claim that the outermost shell can accommodate a maximum of only eight electrons, with some suggesting that this is an oversimplification.
  • One participant argues that Lewis theory is a rule of thumb that works reasonably well only for certain elements, particularly those in the second period.
  • Another participant points out that in higher main group elements, such as iodine, the 5d electrons are energetically higher than the 5s and 5p electrons, affecting the effective valence shell capacity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the limitations of Lewis theory and the nature of electron configurations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the maximum capacity of the outer shell or the applicability of Lewis theory across different elements.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in Lewis theory, noting its age and the emergence of more modern descriptions of atomic structure. There is also mention of the dependence on specific cases, such as hydrogen and second period elements, which may not generalize to all atoms.

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We know that a shell can accommodate a maximum of 2n2 electrons because a shell can have a maximum of n2 orbitals depending upon the value of n, i.e n=1 for K shell, n=2 for L shell, n=3 for M shell, n=4 for N shell and so on. According to Lewis, he pictured the atom in terms of a positively charged Kernel (the nucleus plus the inner electrons) and the outer shell that could accommodate a maximum of eight electrons. This means that 2n2=8 => n=2? Means an outer shell can be nothing more than an L shell? I got stuck up here and I am still confused..
 
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This electron counting rule is exact only for hydrogen. In all other atoms, sub-shells are formed, namely s, p, d, f subshells according to the angular momentum of the electrons. The d and f subshells are energetically higher and more diffuse. So, at least in the main group elements, the valence shell is formed by the s and p orbitals which can take 2 and 6 electrons, respectively.
However, you have to take in mind that Lewis theory is more than 100 years old and has been superseeded in many respects by more modern descriptions.
 
DrDu said:
This electron counting rule is exact only for hydrogen. In all other atoms, sub-shells are formed, namely s, p, d, f subshells according to the angular momentum of the electrons. The d and f subshells are energetically higher and more diffuse. So, at least in the main group elements, the valence shell is formed by the s and p orbitals which can take 2 and 6 electrons, respectively.
However, you have to take in mind that Lewis theory is more than 100 years old and has been superseeded in many respects by more modern descriptions.

Hydrogen? But hydrogen can't have 8 electrons! And yes, firstly the subshells are formed namely 1s,2s, 3p, 3d and so on.. these get get combined under the name of s,p,d and f and then these s,p,d,f are under the K,L,M,N shells. Can you explain it once again? Basically I didn't understand the 8 electron thing that the theory says. I get confused up there and end up getting 2 as an answer.
 
For iodine the electron configuration is:

s22s22p63s23p64s23d104p64d105s25p5

of those only last 7 electrons (5s25p5) are considered the valence electrons (or outer shell, to use your nomenclature). The kernel is s22s22p63s23p64s23d104p64d10. Valence electrons are not from the L shell, L shell is buried deep below other electrons. Valence electrons have n=5, so they are from the O shell (but no, it is not a complete O shell, just a part of it).

(Note: there are some shortcuts in what I wrote, I am fully aware of them, but nitpicking at this stage will only confuse the OP even more.)
 
Borek said:
For iodine the electron configuration is:

s22s22p63s23p64s23d104p64d105s25p5

of those only last 7 electrons (5s25p5) are considered the valence electrons (or outer shell, to use your nomenclature). The kernel is s22s22p63s23p64s23d104p64d10. Valence electrons are not from the L shell, L shell is buried deep below other electrons. Valence electrons have n=5, so they are from the O shell (but no, it is not a complete O shell, just a part of it).

(Note: there are some shortcuts in what I wrote, I am fully aware of them, but nitpicking at this stage will only confuse the OP even more.)


My question is: How can the outer shell accommodate a maximum of ONLY 8 electrons?
 
It doesn't. It can accommodate much more. However, in iodine atom O shell is filled only partially. This is not its maximum yet.
 
So why does the Lewis Theory say that the outermost shell can accommodate a maximum of only 8 electrons?
 
Because - as DrDu already said - it is oversimplified and in general it works reasonably well only for the second period elements.
 
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Borek said:
Because - as DrDu already said - it is oversimplified and in general it works reasonably well only for the second period elements.

Can you explain what you said above a bit more? Sorry but didn't get the hang of what you said...
 
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What I am saying is that Lewis theory is just a rule of thumb, which works for a limited number of cases.
 
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What I wanted to say is that the ns, np, nd ... orbitals are only degenerate for the same n in hydrogen like atoms.
In higher main group elements, like in the example of iodine of Borek, the 5d electrons are energetically much higher than the 5s and 5p electrons, so effectively the valence shell of iodine can carry at most 8 electrons (2 in 5s, 6 in 5p).
 

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