Kreb's Cycle (TCA): Why H2O Needed in Isomerisation Step?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the role of water in the isomerisation step of the Krebs cycle, specifically the conversion of fumaric acid to malic acid by the enzyme fumarase. Participants explore the chemical identities of the acids involved and the necessity of water in this reaction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the need for water in the isomerisation step, noting that malic and fumaric acids are stereoisomers.
  • Another participant points out a potential confusion between malic and maleic acids, suggesting that clarification is needed.
  • A participant acknowledges the distinction between maleic and fumaric acids, noting that malic acid has additional hydrogen and oxygen atoms.
  • There is a suggestion that the naming conventions for carboxylic acids could be improved for clarity, as the current terminology may be confusing for students new to the TCA cycle.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the clarification provided by another member.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some confusion regarding the identities of the acids involved, indicating a lack of consensus on the chemical relationships and the necessity of water in the reaction.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that participants may lack familiarity with the chemical names and structures of the acids discussed, which could affect their understanding of the isomerisation process.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals interested in biochemistry, particularly those studying metabolic pathways such as the Krebs cycle.

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In the isomerisation step of Krebs cycle, the second last step in regeneration. there is a change form fumaric acid to Malic acid by Fumarase. My textbook says that H2O is also added. From chemistry I know that that Malic and Fumaric acid are sterioisomers, Then why need that H2O??
 
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You are confusing malic and and maleic?
 
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Oh I did not know they were two different compounds! So Maleic acid and fumaric acid are isomers and Malic acid has 2H and 1O extra! Got it thanks!
 
Suraj M said:
Oh I did not know they were two different compounds! So Maleic acid and fumaric acid are isomers and Malic acid has 2H and 1O extra! Got it thanks!

The formulae should be spelt out in whatever text you are using. I think it is rather unsatisfactory that all these 'trivial names' for the various carboxylic acids are suddenly just thrown at students coming to the TCA cycle as if they were known, whereas they will never have met them before. Semi-systematic names - e.g. if they were all like alpha-keto-glutarate - would be better IMO.

As I see you are a frequent poster at this site, I will hopefully come back in the next few days with some other considerations about the TCA cycle you might find useful.
 
Thank you epenguin :smile:
 

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