Kruzkal Coordinates Inside Horizon: Defining u', v

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The discussion revolves around the definition of Kruskal coordinates, specifically the coordinates ##u'## and ##v'##, in the context of the Schwarzschild metric. Participants explore how these coordinates should be defined for regions inside and outside the event horizon, particularly for the case when ##r < 2GM##.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes defining ##u' = e^{u/4GM}## and ##v' = -e^{-v/4GM}## for ##r < 2GM## to maintain consistency in the line element across both regions.
  • Another participant references Carroll's notes, noting that they only define ##u'## and ##v'## for ##r > 2GM##, suggesting a need for a transformation for ##r < 2GM##.
  • A different participant mentions that the extended Kruskal representation is valid for all ##r > 0##, referencing both the Wiki article and Wald's book to support their claim.
  • One participant acknowledges that Carroll's treatment is incomplete, indicating that the chart must be defined piecewise for regions inside and outside the event horizon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the completeness of existing definitions for ##u'## and ##v'##, particularly regarding their applicability for ##r < 2GM##. There is no consensus on a definitive approach for defining these coordinates in that region.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the existing literature, particularly in Carroll's notes, regarding the treatment of Kruskal coordinates across the event horizon. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a piecewise definition.

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We start by defining two coordinates ##u=t+r^*## and ##v=t-r^*##. Then we define another two coordinates ##u'=e^{u/4GM}## and ##v'=-e^{-v/4GM}##. But from what I have understood this is true for ##r>2GM##. How do we define ##u'## and ##v'## for ##r<2GM##?

I think it's ##u'=e^{u/4GM}## and ##v'=e^{-v/4GM}## for ##r<2GM## so that the line element is the same for ##r<2GM## and ##r>2GM##.
 
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Yes, I looked at it. But I asked something specific and the wiki article doesn't answer it.
I'm reading Carroll's notes and there he defines u' and v' in the similar way, but only for r>2GM.
Same in Wald's book.
 
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The extended Kruskal representation of the Schwarzschild metric ##ds^{2} = \frac{32M^{3}e^{\frac{-r}{2M}}}{r}(-dT^{2} + dX^{2}) + r^{2}d\Omega^{2}## is valid for all ##r > 0## which from the definition ##(\frac{r}{2M} - 1)e^{\frac{r}{2M}} = X^{2} - T^{2}## yields ##-1 < X^{2} - T^{2}##. This is made clear in both the Wiki article and in Wald (page 154). Compare this with the Rindler space-time.
 
In Carroll's notes on page 186 he defines u' and v' only for r>2GM. We need also to make transformation for r<2GM and than write the line element for both regions.

Please check the page 186. I found there another mistake.
 
Ah ok. Yes Carroll isn't being complete. The way he wrote it down, the chart has to be defined piecewise for ##r > r_g## and ##r < r_g## (it will agree continuously at ##r = r_g## of course).
 

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