Ksp of Calcium Hydroxide - A Percentage Error of 480%?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the calculation of the solubility product constant (Ksp) for calcium hydroxide (Ca(OH)2) based on a titration experiment with hydrochloric acid (HCl). Participants explore potential sources of significant percentage error in the calculated Ksp value, which was reported as 488%. The conversation includes considerations of experimental errors, the appropriateness of indicators used, and the role of ionic strength and activity coefficients.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports a calculated percentage error of 488% in their Ksp value for Ca(OH)2 and questions the possible sources of such a large error.
  • Another participant suggests that accounting for ionic strength and activity coefficients could reduce the perceived error.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in understanding ionic strength and activity coefficients and seeks alternative explanations.
  • One reply emphasizes the importance of using activities instead of concentrations in equilibrium constant expressions, detailing the calculation of ionic strength and activity coefficients.
  • A participant questions the titration process, suggesting that the indicator used may have been inappropriate, as phenolphthalein should show a pink color at the start with a fade upon adding HCl.
  • Another participant agrees that the choice of indicator is critical, suggesting alternatives like methyl orange for weak bases.
  • Some participants note that Ca(OH)2 is a strong base and discuss its dissociation in solution.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for incomplete dissolution of Ca(OH)2 affecting the results.
  • One participant challenges the assumption that incomplete dissolution would lead to a higher Ksp value, suggesting it would instead result in a lower measured Ksp.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the indicator used in the titration and the implications of ionic strength and activity coefficients on the error calculation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact sources of error and the validity of the reported Ksp value.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various potential errors, including measurement inaccuracies, the choice of indicator, and the completeness of dissolution of Ca(OH)2. The discussion highlights the complexity of accurately determining Ksp in light of these factors.

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Ksp of Calcium Hydroxide - A Percentage Error of 480%??

Homework Statement



I did a titration between HCl and Ca(OH)2. I use the indicator Phenopthalein I did most of my calculations and thru repeated checking cannot find any significant error in my calculations.

However, upon calculating the percentage error of this experiment, I got a whooping 488% error! I have no idea what kind of errors would cause such as huge percentage. I have never seen such a huge percentage myself.

Homework Equations



C = n/v to first calculate moles of HCl (C = 0.05 M)
Mole ratios to find moles of Ca(OH)2
C= n/v again to find concentration of Ca(OH)2
that would also be concentration of Ca2+ ions
x2 of concentration to find concentration of OH- ions
Ksp = [Ca][OH]^2


The Attempt at a Solution


These are my calculations and the data...

19 ml of HCl with concentration of 0.05 M
25 ml of Ca(OH)2

Setting up a titration between them using phenolpthalein in Ca(OH)2. HCl is dripped into the flask till pink color of pheno appears.

So calculations, I find out HCl moles is = 9.75 x 10^-4 mols
and thru stoichiometry, we find out Ca(OH)2 has half of that, 4.875 x 10^-4

and calculating that, concentraition of Ca(OH)2 is 0.01948 M

So Ca2+ concentration is 0.0198M
and
OH- concentration is double that, so 0.0389M

Setting up Ksp = [Ca][OH]^2
Ksp = 2.95 x 10^-5

Accepted Value* for Ksp of Ca(OH)2: 5.02 x 10-6

% error = ((experimental value – accepted value) / (accepted value)) x 100%
= 488%

What possible errors would cause such a huge percentage?

Acid or base was left on the sides of the flask, or at the tip of the burette used, measurement errors, air bubbles etc. should be relatively minor errors right?
 
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I tried reading it, but I don't think my teacher have taught up to there yet...

Is there another way to talk about ionic strength, and activity coefficients so that they kind of make sense in the context of this question?

Thanks.
 


You may try to google other sites, perhaps other way of explaining the problem will better suit you.

Basically in all expressions for equilibrium constants - like Ka, Kb, Kso and so on - you should use not concentrations, but activities. Page I have linked to shows how to calculate activity. First, you have to calculate ionic strength of the solution. In this case it will be just

I = \frac 1 2 (2^2[Ca^{2+}]+1^2[OH^-])

Then it is just a matter of putting I and charges into Debye-Huckel equation to calculate logs of activity coefficients (different one for Ca2+ and different one for OH-, that's because they are function of both ionic strength and charge of ion). You have to calculate f1 - activity coefficient for all singly charged ions (regardless of whether they are positively or negatively charged) and f2 - activity coefficient for all double charged ions.

And as activity of an ion is just a concentration times activity coefficients, Kso looks like

K_{so} = f_2 [Ca^{2+}] (f_1[OH^-])^2

Here comes tricky part, as ionic strength is calculated using concentrations, which can be calculated once you know activity coefficients, which you can calculate when you know ionic strength, which you can calculate when you know concentration... and so on. Best approach is as follows:

Assume activity coefficients equal 1.

repeat:
{
Calculate concentrations from Kso.

Calculate ionic strength.

Calculate activity coefficients.
} until results between actual and previous step are almost identical.

Most likely it will be enough to do the calculations twice or thrice. That'll give you real concentrations - ones that are determined by titration.
 


Celer said:
Setting up a titration between them using phenolpthalein in Ca(OH)2. HCl is dripped into the flask till pink color of pheno appears.


Huh? It should have been real pink at the start and the color should have faded when you added the HCl. Are you sure you titrated using HCl and not an unknown solution of Ca(OH)2? Think about the kind of error you might see if you had this backwards...
 


the error is in the indicator u should use black T or methyl orange
since u r using a weak base
phenolphthalaien does not work
 
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Rami.makhlout said:
the error is in the indicator u should use black T or methyl orange
since u r using a weak base
phenolphthalaien does not work

Ca(OH)2 has a pH of around 12-13 in water. Phenolphthalein is appropriate to use as an indicator.
 


Ca(OH)2 has low solubility, but it is a strong base - ie its total concentration is not high, but whatever is dissolved it is fully dissociated.
 


then the error wil be in the dissolved amount. if not all the solid was dissolved then the experiment will give this error
 
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Rami.makhlout said:
then the error wil be in the dissolved amount. if not all the solid was dissolved then the experiment will give this error

I am afraid you are wrong again. Assuming solution was not saturated, measured Kso should be lover than expected, not 5 times higher.
 

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