KSTAR recent result and breakeven

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The discussion centers around the recent results from the KSTAR fusion experiment, particularly focusing on the plasma composition used during the experiments and the implications for achieving breakeven in fusion reactions. Participants explore the specifics of the ion density and temperature achieved during the KSTAR Plasma Campaign.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assume that the KSTAR results were obtained using ordinary hydrogen, questioning whether equivalent deuterium-tritium (DT) values can be calculated from this.
  • Others express frustration over the lack of clarity in the Eurekalert news release regarding the plasma composition, noting that it mentions hydrogen isotopes but does not specify which were used.
  • A participant cites a paper indicating an ion density of approximately 1019 m-3 (or 1013 cm-3) as a typical range, suggesting that the actual density could vary between 1013 and 1014 cm-3.
  • There is a proposal to estimate plasma density by equating plasma pressure with magnetic field pressure, using the toroidal field magnetic flux density as an approximation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the plasma composition used in the KSTAR experiments, and there are multiple viewpoints regarding the ion density and its implications for fusion conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the available information, including the lack of explicit details on plasma composition and ion density in the press release and related papers.

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How close is Kstar to breakeven now?
Here is link to recent result: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-12/nrco-kas122420.php (20 seconds at 100,000 C)
I have googled but can't find triple product or anything similar. TIA if you can.
I assume this result was from a run with ordinary hydrogen, no deuterium or tritium.
But I think the equivalent DT values are frequently calculated. Is this possible here?
TIA again
 
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Eurekalert news release wasn't clear. It mentions hydrogen once, "To re-create fusion reactions that occur in the sun on Earth, hydrogen isotopes must be placed inside a fusion device like KSTAR to create a plasma state where ions and electrons are separated, and ions must be heated and maintained at high temperatures." That is not helpful. They don't explicitly mention the plasma composition.

The press release states, "it succeeded in continuous operation of plasma for 20 seconds with an ion-temperature higher than 100 million degrees, which is one of the core conditions of nuclear fusion in the 2020 KSTAR Plasma Campaign." Well, OK, yeah, but . . . .

https://www.kfe.re.kr/eng/pageView/103 - indicates H, D-D, which doesn't clarify the matter, but I would suspect that they used H2.

https://www.kfe.re.kr/eng/post/paper_eng - page lists paper lead authors and titles, but not linked to pdfs. Disappointing! I found one paper in Journal of Nuclear Materials by typing in lead author's name and title.

OK, so we have 20 sec at 1E08 K (~8.6 keV), but don't know the ion density.
 
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Thanks for the references
 
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I saw a number in a paper that was 1019 m-3 (or 1013 cm-3) for ion density, but that's more or less a ball park figure. A number between 1013 and 1014 cm-3 would be typical, that latter being 10 times the pressure at the same temperature. Usually, as the temperature increases, the ion and electron densities decrease, as the system is limited by pressure, which is limited by the maximum magnetic field strength.

One could possibly estimate the plasma density by equating the plasma pressure with the magnetic field pressure (force), which is proportional to B2, and use the toroidal field magnetic flux density, Bθ, as an approximation.
 
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