La1.1.22 3 aug matrices for linear sys solution set is x_1=3,x_2=-2,x_3=-1

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The discussion focuses on constructing augmented matrices for a linear system with the solution set defined by \(x_1=3\), \(x_2=-2\), and \(x_3=-1\). Participants detail the process of creating three distinct \(3 \times 4\) augmented matrices corresponding to these solutions. The matrices are derived from the equations representing the variables, and the discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying row operations to achieve the desired forms. A mistake in the sign during the row operations is also identified, highlighting the need for careful calculations.

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$$\tiny{la1.1.22}$$

$\textsf{Construct 3 different augmented matrices for linear systems whose solution set is}$
$$x_1=3,\quad x_2=-2,\quad x_3=-1$$Well we could start just by$$3x-2y+y=-1$$but then we need a $3\times4$ matrix
 
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karush said:
$$\tiny{la1.1.22}$$

$\textsf{Construct 3 different augmented matrices for linear systems whose solution set is}$
$$x_1=3,\quad x_2=-2,\quad x_3=-1$$

Well we could start just by
$$3x-2y+y=-1$$

When we substitute $x=3$ and $y=-2$, we get $3\cdot 3 - 2\cdot (-2) + (-2)=11 \ne -1$.
That's not going to work is it?

karush said:
but then we need a $3\times4$ matrix

We need indeed a 3x4 matrix since we have 3 unknowns, meaning we should have 3 equations for them.
The simplest augmented matrix would follow from:
$$\begin{cases}x_1=3 \\ x_2=-2 \\ x_3=-1\end{cases}$$
What is the corresponding augmented matrix?
 
I like Serena said:
When we substitute $x=3$ and $y=-2$, we get $3\cdot 3 - 2\cdot (-2) + (-2)=11 \ne -1$.
That's not going to work is it?

well actually its $x+y+z=3-2-1=0$
I like Serena said:
We need indeed a 3x4 matrix since we have 3 unknowns, meaning we should have 3 equations for them.
The simplest augmented matrix would follow from:
$$\begin{cases}x_1=3 \\ x_2=-2 \\ x_3=-1\end{cases}$$
What is the corresponding augmented matrix?

ok presumably this would be one case

$$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
%x_1& x_2& x_3& 0\\
x_1& 0& 0& 3\\
0& x_2& 0& -2\\
0& 0& x_3& -1\\
\end{array}\right]$$
 
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karush said:
ok presumably this would be one case

$$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
%x_1& x_2& x_3& 0\\
x_1& 0& 0& 3\\
0& x_2& 0& -2\\
0& 0& x_3& -1\\
\end{array}\right]$$

... except that an augmented matrix is without the variables.
So it should be:
$$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
%x_1& x_2& x_3& 0\\
1& 0& 0& 3\\
0& 1& 0& -2\\
0& 0& 1& -1\\
\end{array}\right]$$

And if we add both the second row and the third row to the first row, the first row becomes the equation that you've suggested... and we have a new augmented matrix.
 
I like Serena said:
... except that an augmented matrix is without the variables.
So it should be:
$$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
%x_1& x_2& x_3& 0\\
1& 0& 0& 3\\
0& 1& 0& -2\\
0& 0& 1& -1\\
\end{array}\right]$$

And if we add both the second row and the third row to the first row, the first row becomes the equation that you've suggested... and we have a new augmented matrix.

the only other augmented matrix I see is just flipping this one to$$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
0& 0& 1& -1\\
0& 1& 0& -2\\
1& 0& 0& 3\\
\end{array}\right]$$so the the third ?
 
karush said:
the only other augmented matrix I see is just flipping this one to$$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
0& 0& 1& -1\\
0& 1& 0& -2\\
1& 0& 0& 3\\
\end{array}\right]$$so the the third ?

Do the reverse of a row reduction?
That is, add/substract rows such that instead of elements becoming zero, they become non-zero?
 
I like Serena said:
Do the reverse of a row reduction?
That is, add/substract rows such that instead of elements becoming zero, they become non-zero?
i thot augmented meant you had to have a triangle of zeros
 
karush said:
i thot augmented meant you had to have a triangle of zeros

Neh, an augmented matrix is just an encoding of a set of equations into a single matrix.
When we apply row reduction to an augmented matrix, we get a new augmented matrix in row reduced echelon form, which has indeed a triangle of zeroes.
 
I like Serena said:
Neh, an augmented matrix is just an encoding of a set of equations into a single matrix.
When we apply row reduction to an augmented matrix, we get a new augmented matrix in row reduced echelon form, which has indeed a triangle of zeroes.

ok here goes...

$$A=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
0& 0& 1& -1\\ 0& 1& 0& -2\\ 1& 0& 0& 3\\
\end{array}\right]$$
$\textsf{so then if from $A$ we multiply $R_1$ by $2$ and add to $R_3$ to become $A_2$}$
$$A_2=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
0& 0& 2& -2\\ 0& 1& 0& -2\\ 1& 0& 2& 1\\
\end{array}\right]$$
$\textsf{so then if from $A$ we multiply $R_1$ by $2$ and add to $R_2$ to become $A_3$}$
$$A_3=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
0& 0& 2& -2\\ 0& 1& 2& 0\\ 1& 0& 0& 3\\
\end{array}\right]$$so then thusly
kinda maybe hopefully?
 
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karush said:
ok here goes...

$$A=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
0& 0& 1& -1\\ 0& 1& 0& -2\\ 1& 0& 0& 3\\
\end{array}\right]$$
$\textsf{so then if from $A$ we multiply $R_1$ by $2$ and add to $R_3$ to become $A_2$}$
$$A_2=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
0& 0& 2& -2\\ 0& 1& 0& -2\\ 1& 0& 2& 1\\
\end{array}\right]$$
$\textsf{so then if from $A$ we multiply $R_1$ by $2$ and add to $R_2$ to become $A_3$}$
$$A_3=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
0& 0& 2& -2\\ 0& 1& 2& 0\\ 1& 0& 0& 3\\
\end{array}\right]$$so then thusly
kinda maybe hopefully?

All good except for $A_3$ where there is a mistake with a sign.
 

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