Ladder Operators: Commutation Relation & Beyond

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The discussion focuses on the commutation relations of ladder operators in quantum mechanics, specifically the operators L+ and L-. The relationship L+† = L- is established, indicating the adjoint nature of these operators. The commutation relation [L+, L-] is derived, leading to a complex expression involving Lx and Ly. Participants clarify that L_y L_x does not equal L_x L_y, emphasizing the importance of sign conventions in the calculations. The conversation highlights the need for careful handling of terms to ensure accurate results in quantum operator algebra.
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Homework Statement
Its is known that: ##L^2=L_z^2+L_{-}L_{+}-L_z##
##L_{+}=L_x+iL_y##
##L_{-}=L_x-iL_y##

a. what is ##L_{+}^{\dagger}##
b. what is ##[L_{+},L_{-}]##
c. what is ##||L_{+}|l,m>||^2 ##
d. assuming all coefficients are integer and positive what is ## L_{+}|l,m>##
Relevant Equations
##L^2=L_x^2+L_y^2+L_z^2##
a. ##L_{+}^{\dagger}=(L_x+iL_y)^{\dagger}=L_x-iL_y=L_{-}##

b.##[L_{+},L_{-}]=[L_x+iL_y,L_x-iL_y]=(L_x+iL_y)(L_x-iL_y)-(L_x-iL_y)(L_x+iL_y)=##
##=L_x^2-iL_xL_y+iL_yL_x+L_y^2-(L_x^2+iL_xL_y-iL_yL_x-L_y^2)##
##=L_x^2-iL_xL_y+iL_yL_x+L_y^2-L_x^2-iL_xL_y+iL_yL_x+L_y^2##
##=-iL_xL_y+iL_yL_x+L_y^2-iL_xL_y+iL_yL_x+L_y^2##
##=-2iL_xL_y+2iL_yL_x+2L_y^2=2(iL_xL_y+iL_yL_x+L_y^2)##

It is not ture that ##L_yL_x=L_xl_y## right? What can be done next?
 
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Gbox said:
It is not ture that ##L_yL_x=L_xl_y## right?

Right. But ##L_x L_y - L_y L_x =## ?

Also, be careful with the +- signs. The ##L_y^2## terms should cancel.
 
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