Lagrange multiplier for bose- Einstein stats

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The discussion clarifies the use of -BEi as the Lagrange multiplier for indistinguishable particles in Bose-Einstein statistics, contrasting it with the +BEi used for distinguishable particles. The negative sign is essential to ensure that the probability of each state remains positive, particularly in scenarios where energy levels are degenerate. This adjustment is crucial for deriving the Boltzmann distribution when the number of energy levels significantly exceeds the number of particles. The rationale behind this choice is grounded in the mathematical requirements of statistical mechanics.

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Hi,

Why is -BEi used instead of +BEi as the lagrange multiplier for indistinguishable particles? How is it justified?

I've been reading a book about statistical mechanics and it introduces lagrange multipliers first for distinguishable particles- it has ln(ni) + a + BEi = 0.

(where a is alpha, B is beta, Ei is the energy)

The thing is, for the indistinguishable case, it has -BEi instead of BEi, so that it looks like ln () + a -BEi = 0. it goes on to show how this becomes the Boltzmann distribution is the number of levels,g, is much greater than the number of particles, n. But it seems that this only works if you have -BE rather than +BE.

So it looks like some sort of ad hoc measure to make things work. don't get it, is there a reason that its - instead of +?

thanks
 
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.The reason for the use of -BEi instead of +BEi as the lagrange multiplier for indistinguishable particles is because a negative sign is required to ensure that the probability of each state is positive. This is due to the fact that the energy levels of indistinguishable particles tend to be strongly degenerate; that is, they have more than one particle in the same state. Therefore, if the lagrange multiplier was positive, then the probability of each state would be zero, which is not desirable. Therefore, the negative sign is used to ensure that the probability of each state is positive.
 

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