A question on Bose enhancement & Pauli blocking

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of transition rates for bosons and fermions, specifically focusing on the concepts of Bose enhancement and Pauli blocking as they relate to quantum statistics. Participants explore the mathematical foundations and historical context of these phenomena, referencing the Boltzmann equation and quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant states that the transition rate for bosons is enhanced by a factor of ##n_{a}+1## due to Bose-Einstein statistics, while for fermions, it is suppressed by a factor of ##1-n_{a}## due to Fermi-Dirac statistics and the Pauli exclusion principle.
  • Another participant suggests deriving these relations through the Boltzmann equation using quantum transition amplitudes, specifically mentioning the Born approximation for ##2 \rightarrow 2## scattering matrix elements.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the original derivation of these results, noting that many texts on statistical mechanics present the results without detailed motivation.
  • One participant references historical contributions, mentioning Einstein's work in 1917 on the Planck spectrum and Dirac's introduction of annihilation and creation operators for photons in 1927 as foundational to understanding these concepts.

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Participants generally agree on the basic principles of Bose enhancement and Pauli blocking, but there is no consensus on the best method for deriving these relations or the depth of explanation needed for understanding them.

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Some participants note that existing texts may lack detailed derivations or motivations for the results related to transition rates, indicating a potential gap in understanding the underlying principles.

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Say I have ##n_{a}## bosons in some state ##a##, then the transition rate from some state ##b## to state ##a##, ##W^{boson}_{b\rightarrow a}##, is enhanced by a factor of ##n_{a}+1## compared to the corresponding transition probability for distinguishable particles, ##W_{b\rightarrow a}##, i.e. $$W^{boson}_{b\rightarrow a}=(n_{a}+1)W_{b\rightarrow a}$$ and so the transition rate is from a state ##b## to a state ##a## is enhanced by the number of identical bosonic particles already in the state ##a##.

Conversely, for a fermion, the transition rate is suppressed by a factor of ##1-n_{a}##, i.e. $$W^{fermion}_{b\rightarrow a}=(1-n_{a})W_{b\rightarrow a}$$

My question is, how does one derive these to relations? How does one show that transition rate for bosons are enhanced due to Bose-Einstein statistics, whereas transition rates for fermions are suppressed due to Fermi-Dirac statistics (heuristically I get that in the case of fermions it is due to the Pauli exclusion principle, so called "Pauli blocking")?!
 
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You can get it in deriving the Boltzmann equation using quantum transition amplitudes. The most simple thing is to use the Born approximation for ##2 \rightarrow 2## scattering matrix elements. Then you get a collision term with the integrand
$$\propto |\mathcal{M}_{12 \leftrightarrow 34}|^2 [f_3 f_4 (1 \pm f_1)(1 \pm f_2)-f_1 f_2 (1\pm f_3)(1 \pm f_4).$$
The upper signt is for bosons the lower for fermions.

Here are some hand-written notes on this from the last winter semester ;-) (in German but with a large "formula density"):

http://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/neq-therm-WS15/quantum-boltzmann-eq-a-la-greiner-book.pdf

It's taken from one Greiner's quantum mechanics textbooks.
 
vanhees71 said:
You can get it in deriving the Boltzmann equation using quantum transition amplitudes. The most simple thing is to use the Born approximation for ##2 \rightarrow 2## scattering matrix elements. Then you get a collision term with the integrand
$$\propto |\mathcal{M}_{12 \leftrightarrow 34}|^2 [f_3 f_4 (1 \pm f_1)(1 \pm f_2)-f_1 f_2 (1\pm f_3)(1 \pm f_4).$$
The upper signt is for bosons the lower for fermions.

Here are some hand-written notes on this from the last winter semester ;-) (in German but with a large "formula density"):

http://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/neq-therm-WS15/quantum-boltzmann-eq-a-la-greiner-book.pdf

It's taken from one Greiner's quantum mechanics textbooks.

Thanks for the notes, my German isn't great, but hopefully I'll understand the equations nonetheless ;-)

So is this how it was originally derived? In texts that I've read on statistical mechanics the result is simply stated with little motivation :-/
 
That's a good question. Of course, the Bose enhancement goes as far back as to Einstein 1917, where he derived the Planck spectrum by thinking about the transition rates and detailed balance. To get the correct Planck spectrum he had to assume that additionally to induced emission, i.e., emission of a photon from an excited state triggered by the already present radiation, there exists spontaneous emission, i.e., that an excited state can spontaneously deexcite by emitting a photon, which leads to the ##1+n## factors in the collision term. The quantum derivation for photons goes back to Dirac in 1927, when he introduced the annihilation and creation operators for photons:

http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/royprsa/114/767/243.full.pdf
 

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