Lagrangian for the General Relativity

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of the Lagrangian for General Relativity, particularly focusing on the inclusion of matter fields in the Einstein-Hilbert action. Participants explore the relationship between the gravitational Lagrangian and the Lagrangian of matter fields to derive Einstein's field equations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the Lagrangian for the gravitational field is given by the Ricci scalar R, as derived from the Einstein-Hilbert action, but seeks clarification on the full Lagrangian that includes matter.
  • Another participant suggests that the full Lagrangian can be expressed as the sum of the gravitational Lagrangian density and the Lagrangian density of matter fields, represented as L = L_G + L_M.
  • A further contribution provides a specific example involving electromagnetic fields, detailing the action and the resulting equations that relate the Ricci tensor and the energy-momentum tensor for electromagnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of combining the gravitational and matter Lagrangians, but the specifics of the full Lagrangian and its implications remain open for further discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the normalization factors mentioned in the example of electromagnetic fields, nor does it clarify the complete form of the Lagrangian with all possible matter fields included.

MManuel Abad
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I've always found that the lagrangian for the Gravitational field is that from the Einstein-Hilbert action:

[itex]<i>L</i>=R[/itex] (R is the Ricci scalar; I'm not including the factor of [itex]\sqrt{-g}[/itex])

but when variational principles are applied, we get the vacuum field equations (obviously). I'd like someone to tell me which would be the FULL lagrangian (with matter coupled) for getting the Einstein's field equations.
 
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You simply take the gravitational Lagrangian density and add in the Lagrangian density of the matter fields: [itex]L=L_G+L_M[/itex].
 
For example, if you have electromagnetic fields, then the action is

[tex]S = \int \ast \mathcal{R} - \frac12 \int F \wedge \ast F[/tex]

where [itex]\ast[/itex] is the Hodge dual and F is the electromagnetic 2-form (rescaled up to some factors of [itex]2\pi[/itex] which I don't remember...I use the above normalization in my research). Using the normalization I've given here and varying with respect to the inverse metric, you obtain

[tex]R_{\mu\nu} - \frac12 \mathcal{R} g_{\mu\nu} = \frac12 T_{\mu\nu}[/tex]

where

[tex]T_{\mu\nu} = F_{\mu\rho} F_\nu{}^\rho - \frac14 g_{\mu\nu} F_{\rho\sigma} F^{\rho\sigma}[/tex]
 
Wow, thankyou both, that was very useful! :)
 

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