Landing a 747 with only friction

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The problem involves calculating the distance required for a Boeing 747 to come to a complete stop using only the force of friction from its tires on the runway. The parameters include the landing speed, coefficient of kinetic friction, and mass of the aircraft.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the work-energy theorem to find the stopping distance but questions the validity of their result, noting it seems too short compared to typical runway lengths.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the forces acting on the plane during landing, particularly the normal force and its relation to lift.
  • Others suggest that the coefficient of kinetic friction used may not be appropriate for a landing scenario involving rolling tires.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the limitations of the original approach and exploring different factors that affect the stopping distance of the aircraft. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of questioning and clarification are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that typical landing scenarios involve additional forces, such as braking and aerodynamic drag, which are not accounted for in the original calculation. There is also mention of the potential for mechanical limits on braking forces and the implications for safety.

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Homework Statement


I had this problem floating around in my head and when I worked it out I was a little surprised. A 747 is coming in for a landing and the only force opposing its motion is the force of friction between the ground and its tires how much runway is needed for the plane to come to a complete stop?

landing speed: 270 kph = 75 m/s
coefficient of kinetic friction (f) = .7
mass = 390,000 kg


The Attempt at a Solution



I apply the work energy theorem and solve for distance (d)

.5mv^2=fmgd

d=v^2/(2fg) ==> (75)^2/(.7*9.8)= 409m

This is far shorter than the minimum runway needed to land a 747 and I'm ignoring so many other forces. Could someone provide some insight into why this answer is incorrect (or right?) Thanks
 
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Usually, planes are not landed with the majority of breaking force coming from the tires skidding. The wheels typically would roughly match the ground speed, and the a plane would be slowed via breaks on the wheels and aerodynamic forces. There are limits to the amounts of mechanical forces it is advisable to put on the landing gear, and how much force the breaks would be able to exert on the wheels, as well as limits for break heating; the landing gear could catch fire if too much breaking is attempted.
 
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Hmm...one possible reason would be that your answer assumes that N = mg immediately upon touching down. It is likely that N is less than mg at the start of the landing due to lift forces.
 
The coefficient of kinetic friction you used is valid for sliding friction, when the Boeing were sliding on its belly. But it has got wheels and they roll. :smile: Rolling friction is in the range of 0.01.

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