Laplacian of f equals zero and spherical harmonics equation

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The discussion revolves around the equation \(\nabla^2 f = 0\) in spherical coordinates, specifically focusing on the decomposition of this equation and the conditions under which spherical harmonics are considered. Participants explore the implications of using the constant \(C = l(l+1)\) and question the necessity of \(l\) being an integer in the context of the associated Legendre equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the equation can be decomposed into two parts, one depending on \(r\) and the other resembling the spherical harmonics equation, but questions the restriction to \(C = l(l+1)\).
  • Another participant explains that the separation of variables leads to ordinary differential equations in \(\theta\) and \(\phi\), asserting that periodicity in \(\theta\) necessitates \(C = l(l+1)\).
  • A participant reiterates the reasoning about periodicity and provides the differential equations resulting from the separation of variables, emphasizing the requirement for \(m\) to be an integer for periodic solutions in \(\phi\).
  • There is a query regarding why \(l\) must also be an integer, with a reference to the associated Legendre function suggesting that integer values prevent singularities in the solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of \(l\) being an integer, with some asserting it is required for non-singular solutions while others question this necessity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of using non-integer values for \(l\).

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the periodicity conditions and the nature of the solutions to the associated Legendre equation, indicating that the discussion is contingent on these mathematical properties and assumptions.

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Lets consider the equation:
[tex]\nabla^2 f=0[/tex]
I know that in spherical coordinates this equation may be decomposed into two equations,
first which depends only on r, and the second one which has the form of spherical harmonics equation except that the [tex]l(l+1)[/tex] is an arbitrary constant, let's say C (and of course the same constant is present in the first equation).
I do not understand why we consider (in literature for example) only the case of
[tex]C=l(l+1)[/tex]

What if we have an equation of form:
[tex]\left(\frac{1}{\sin\theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\sin\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}+\frac{1}{\sin^2\theta}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial\phi^2}+C\right)u=0[/tex]

is any way to decompose [tex]u[/tex] into spherical harmonics or to transform this equation into standard spherical harmonic equation?
 
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The reason we only consider [itex]l(l+1)[/itex] is that, when we separate variables, we get two ordinary differential equations, one in [itex]\theta[/itex], the other in [itex]\phi[/itex]. Basically, we get a function in [itex]\theta[/itex] only equal to a function of [itex]\phi[/itex] only. Those must each be equal to a constant, C. And, since [itex]\theta[/itex] goes all the way from 0 to [itex]2\pi[/itex] the function in [itex]\theta[/itex] must be periodic with period [itex]2\pi[/itex]. That only happens when [itex]C= l(l+1)[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
The reason we only consider [itex]l(l+1)[/itex] is that, when we separate variables, we get two ordinary differential equations, one in [itex]\theta[/itex], the other in [itex]\phi[/itex]. Basically, we get a function in [itex]\theta[/itex] only equal to a function of [itex]\phi[/itex] only. Those must each be equal to a constant, C. And, since [itex]\theta[/itex] goes all the way from 0 to [itex]2\pi[/itex] the function in [itex]\theta[/itex] must be periodic with period [itex]2\pi[/itex]. That only happens when [itex]C= l(l+1)[/itex].

HallsofIvy said:
The reason we only consider [itex]l(l+1)[/itex] is that, when we separate variables, we get two ordinary differential equations, one in [itex]\theta[/itex], the other in [itex]\phi[/itex]. Basically, we get a function in [itex]\theta[/itex] only equal to a function of [itex]\phi[/itex] only. Those must each be equal to a constant, C. And, since [itex]\theta[/itex] goes all the way from 0 to [itex]2\pi[/itex] the function in [itex]\theta[/itex] must be periodic with period [itex]2\pi[/itex]. That only happens when [itex]C= l(l+1)[/itex].

The differential equations are:

[tex]\frac{1}{\Phi}\frac{d^2 \Phi}{d \phi^2}=-m^2[/tex]

and

[tex] (1-x^2)\frac{d^2\Theta}{dx^2}-2x\frac{d\Theta}{dx}+[l(l+1)-\frac{m^2}{1-x^2}]\Theta=0[/tex]

where [tex]x=cos(\theta)[/tex].

The solution of the first equation requires that "m" is an integer for the solution [tex]e^{im\phi}[/tex] to be periodic.

However, I don't see why the second equation requires l to be an integer. If l is an integer then it's nice as you can find solutions that are polynomial (the equation is the associated Legendre equation). But does l have to be integral?
 

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