Late application to grad school without GREs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of applying to graduate schools in the US for an international student with a low GPA and no GRE scores. Participants explore the implications of these factors on the applicant's chances of admission, the timing of applications, and the requirements of various programs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that most US schools require the GRE, and without it, applications may be deemed incomplete.
  • Another participant emphasizes the rarity of midterm admissions and schools that do not require the GRE, suggesting that failing classes and a low GPA indicate a struggle with undergraduate physics.
  • Some participants suggest that retaking failed classes might improve the applicant's standing for future applications.
  • There is a suggestion that applying after the deadline may limit options, with some deadlines extending to February 1st.
  • One participant questions the logic of applying late if the applicant is concerned about their current GPA, proposing that waiting a year might be more beneficial.
  • Another participant raises the point that grading practices vary by country, and failing courses may not reflect a lack of capability, but rather different academic standards.
  • It is mentioned that while some programs do not require GRE scores, they are often strongly recommended, especially for international applicants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the necessity of the GRE and the implications of the applicant's GPA. There is no consensus on the best course of action, with some advocating for immediate application and others suggesting a wait-and-see approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the variability in admission standards and the impact of international grading systems on evaluations. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the importance of GRE scores and the timing of applications.

Who May Find This Useful

International students considering graduate school applications in the US, particularly those with concerns about GPA and standardized testing requirements.

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Hello everybody,
I will be graduating with an undergraduate degree in physics this year. I am not an American and I would like to go to graduate school in the US.

Last semester I failed some upper level classes and because of some personal stuff and my GPA is lower than 3 now. I want to apply to graduate school in December/January. I know it's after deadline for most schools, but are there schools that accept applications after that?

So my question is: I know I have no shot at any competitive school but do you think I have a bit of chance at not competitive schools? I guess it's a big disadvantage (maybe a dealbreaker) that I don't have any GRE, but do you think couple of good recommendation letters would help? Do I really have to take GREs to even be considered?

Would you suggest me to visit a website about this?
 
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The vast majority of schools in the US, but not all, require the GRE. If you don't take it, your application will be considered incomplete and it will not even be evaluated.

You need to find a school that doesn't require it and apply there. Or just take the test.
 
I think you are not in a very good position.

  • Very few schools have midterm admissions.
  • Very few schools do not require the GRE.
  • You have demonstrated by failing classes and a low GPA that you couldn't handle physics at the simpler, undergraduate level.

You haven't stated any reason why a school should accept you.

Your best bet is to start by retaking the classes that you failed.
 
You want to apply IN December/January? That's when most deadlines are. I've seen some as late as February 1st. Like others have said, take the GRE.
 
Maybe it's the way you've worded the question, but what you're asking doesn't make sense to me. If you want to apply to a program, then apply to the program BEFORE the deadline. If you want to get into a program that requires the GRE, then TAKE the GRE.

If you're worried that your marks aren't sufficient for applying this year and you want to apply late because fall courses (which you hope will raise your GPA) will then be included in your transcript... then rather than selecting from a limited pool of schools, just wait and apply next year.

Also, while there are some schools that are more competative to get into and some that are less competative, they pretty much all have a base level standard for admission.

You're much better off going into the specific program that you want to get into rather than aiming for "any program that will accept you."
 
Vanadium 50 said:
[*]You have demonstrated by failing classes and a low GPA that you couldn't handle physics at the simpler, undergraduate level.
I would be wary of making a clear-cut assessment like that. In some countries, grading is substantially harsh and failing undergraduate courses is relative commonplace. Because of this, my university offers 3 examination attempts per year for every course, with no penalization and generally, very rarely do more than half the students pass on the first try all the way up to senior year courses.

But yes the GREs are a requirement for most graduate programs I've seen and it is especially important for international applicants from what I have gathered, as it can really normalize harsher grading schemes that result in grades that are not directly comparable to those awarded at US universities. The ones that don't explicitly require GRE's all state it is still strongly recommended afaik.
 

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