Latent heat effects thermal equilibrium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mixing of ice at 0 degrees Celsius with water at 80 degrees Celsius, specifically exploring how they can reach a final temperature of 0 degrees Celsius when both have the same mass. The focus includes concepts of latent heat and thermal equilibrium.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how ice at 0 degrees and water at 80 degrees can mix to yield a final temperature of 0 degrees, suggesting a misunderstanding of thermal equilibrium and latent heat.
  • Another participant explains that the latent heat of fusion is necessary for the phase transition of ice to water, indicating that the heat absorbed by the ice is equal to the heat lost by the water.
  • A third participant expresses appreciation for the explanation, noting the absorption of kinetic energy by the ice during the phase transition.
  • One participant suggests that the experiment could be conducted in a thermos to observe the phenomenon in practice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principles of latent heat and thermal equilibrium, but there is no consensus on the implications of the experiment or the conditions under which the final temperature can be achieved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for perfect insulation and precise temperature control, which may not be achievable in practical scenarios. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of heat transfer and phase changes involved.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts interested in thermodynamics, particularly those exploring concepts of heat transfer, phase changes, and thermal equilibrium.

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Can anyone explain that how the ice's temperature is zero degree and water's temperature is 80 degree are mix and their final temperature is zero degree if the both ice and water has the same mass?

Where:
mc(delta T) of water = (mc(delta T) + mL ) of ice
the result for final temperature is 0 degree but how can it be?

This is telling me that if I have a perfect insulation container then every drop of water at 80 degree can be zero degree as long as the intial mass is the same, is it true?
 
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saykaof said:
Can anyone explain that how the ice's temperature is zero degree and water's temperature is 80 degree are mix and their final temperature is zero degree if the both ice and water has the same mass?
Because water has a latent heat. At normal pressure, you need around 80 cal to transform 1 g of 0°C ice into 0°C water, which is the heat needed to cool off 1 g of water by 80°C.
For further reading : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthalpy_of_fusion.
 
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Absolutely wonderful for both the question and solution.

It's delightful for me, too, to realize that all that 80 celsius worth of kinetic energy in water are absorbed by the ice in order to cause a phase transition from 0 celsius solid to 0 celsius liquid.

It'd be wonderful to see this in reality, only if i have the tool to precisely control the temperature and mix them with near perfect isolation.
 
You can do the experiment in a thermos easily enough.
 
Thanks all for your explanation, they were simple enough for me to understand my problem.
 

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