Lattice QCD, path integral, single "path", what goes on at a point?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of ground state energy for a quark-antiquark meson using lattice QCD. Participants explore the placement of fermionic and bosonic fields on lattice points and links, as well as the number of parameters required to define their states.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether fermionic fields "live" on lattice points and bosonic fields on the links, or if the arrangement could be reversed.
  • Another participant confirms that in the usual formulation, fermionic fields are at lattice sites and gauge fields on the links, emphasizing that this arrangement ensures gauge invariance.
  • Participants discuss the number of complex numbers needed to specify the state of fermionic fields, noting that in SU(3) gauge theory, 12 complex numbers are required at each lattice site for a Dirac field.
  • There is a query about whether the number of complex numbers should be multiplied by three to account for all three families of quarks.
  • Participants also discuss the number of real numbers needed for bosonic fields, with one stating that 8 real numbers correspond to the 8 different gluons, and further questioning the need for additional parameters related to phase and polarization.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the number of real numbers per link and the consideration of polarization degrees of freedom in continuum field theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the placement of fermionic and bosonic fields in lattice QCD, but there are ongoing questions regarding the specific numbers of parameters required for different quark flavors and gluon characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved on some of these technical details.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the arrangement of fields and the specific definitions of parameters, which may depend on the context of lattice QCD formulations.

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Say we try and calculate the ground state energy of the bound state of a quark antiquark meson via lattice QCD. Say I look at one space time lattice point of one path. Do the fermi fields "live" on the lattice points? Do the boson fields "live" on the legs between the space time lattice points?

Could it be the other way, fermi fields on the legs and boson fields at the lattice points?

How many numbers do I need to specify the state of the fermi fields at a space time point?

How many numbers nail down the state of the boson fields on one of the legs?

Thanks for any help!
 
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Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?

I am working on it, further reading and I have learned they are called links, not legs. Also a google of "lattice gauge theory introduction" has lots of info just not very basic.

Thanks!
 
Spinnor said:
Say we try and calculate the ground state energy of the bound state of a quark antiquark meson via lattice QCD.

This sentence doesn't seem directly related to the rest of your post, but if you are interested in this kind of thing you might look at this tutorial which explains how to do similar calculations.

Spinnor said:
Do the fermi fields "live" on the lattice points?

Yes.

Spinnor said:
Do the boson fields "live" on the legs between the space time lattice points?

Yes.

Spinnor said:
Could it be the other way, fermi fields on the legs and boson fields at the lattice points?

The usual formulation with fermion fields at the lattice sites and gauge fields on the links between the lattice sites is specially constructed to ensure that gauge invariance is exactly satisfied even at finite lattice spacing. You will have some trouble getting exact gauge invariance if you switch this around.

Spinnor said:
How many numbers do I need to specify the state of the fermi fields at a space time point?

In an SU(3) gauge theory like QCD, a Dirac field in the fundamental representation (e.g., a quark field) has four spinor indices and three color indices. So you need 12 complex numbers at each point in spacetime, or, on the lattice, 12 complex numbers at each lattice site.

Spinnor said:
How many numbers nail down the state of the boson fields on one of the legs?

Eight real numbers, one for each SU(3) generator.
 
Thanks for taking time to help!

12 complex numbers, do I need to multiply by 3 if I include all three families of quarks?

The number 8 for the gluons seems low but I don't know. 8 real numbers for the 8 different gluons? Do we need numbers for the phase of the gluons and numbers for their polarization? Gluons can be polarized like photons?

Thanks for the link, I will look for answers there.

Thanks for you help!
 
Spinnor said:
12 complex numbers, do I need to multiply by 3 if I include all three families of quarks?

Sure, you need 12 complex numbers for each quark flavor. Most lattice simulations today include just three flavors: up, down, and strange.

Spinnor said:
The number 8 for the gluons seems low but I don't know. 8 real numbers for the 8 different gluons?

Right.

Spinnor said:
Do we need numbers for the phase of the gluons and numbers for their polarization?

In continuum field theory the gluon field is a real field ##A^a_\mu(x)## where the flavor index ##a## runs from 1 to 8 and the Lorentz index ##\mu## runs from 0 to 3. So there are ##8 \times 4## real numbers at each spacetime point. Similarly on the lattice, there are 8 real numbers per link and four links per spacetime point (one link in each spacetime direction). The factor of four accounts for the polarization degrees of freedom.
 
That is right, I forgot there are more links then points. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
 

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