Launched Rocket (Energy problem)

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The problem involves a rocket launched vertically from Earth's surface with a specified velocity, seeking to determine the maximum height reached from Earth's center. The context includes concepts of kinetic and gravitational potential energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy, questioning how to handle negative values in the equations. There is an exploration of the implications of energy at different radii from Earth's center.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the energy equations and discussing the significance of negative signs in gravitational potential energy. There is a productive exchange regarding the interpretation of energy changes and the calculation of height.

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Some participants note the importance of considering the reference point for gravitational potential energy, specifically that it approaches zero at infinity. There is also a mention of the need to account for Earth's radius when determining the height above the surface.

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Homework Statement



15. (4) A rocket is launched vertically from Earth's surface with a velocity of 3.4 km/s. How high does it go from Earth's centre?


Homework Equations



Ek = 1/2mv^2
Eg = -GMm/r

The Attempt at a Solution



1/2mv^2 = -GMm/r
1/2(3400)^2 = 6.673*10^-11*5.978*10^24/r
r = -6.9*10^11 m

How do i get rid of the negative?

Thanks for your time
 
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Remember Eg is the energy needed to move the mass to infinity, so the change in Eg is the change in ke.

The change in PE is positive, and the change in KE is 0.5mv2

So you will have 0.5mv2= GMm/r
 
rock.freak667 said:
Remember Eg is the energy needed to move the mass to infinity, so the change in Eg is the change in ke.

The change in PE is positive, and the change in KE is 0.5mv2

So you will have 0.5mv2= GMm/r

Thanks! so I just ignore the negative sign?
 
I Like Pi said:
Thanks! so I just ignore the negative sign?

Well you don't really ignore is as it cancels out. But in essence, yes you can ignore it.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Well you don't really ignore is as it cancels out. But in essence, yes you can ignore it.

How does it cancel out?

thanks for your help!
 
I think it is a little more complicated. Notice that -GMm/r is zero at r = infinity (as someone already wrote) and that it gets larger as r increases. So, quite a large negative value at the surface. A smaller negative value a few km up. It really only has meaning when you take the difference for two different radii. You'll need something like this:
0.5mv² = -GMm/r - (-GMm/r)
where one of the r's is the Earth's radius and the other the radius you are looking for.
 
Delphi51 said:
I think it is a little more complicated. Notice that -GMm/r is zero at r = infinity (as someone already wrote) and that it gets larger as r increases. So, quite a large negative value at the surface. A smaller negative value a few km up. It really only has meaning when you take the difference for two different radii. You'll need something like this:
0.5mv² = -GMm/r - (-GMm/r)
where one of the r's is the Earth's radius and the other the radius you are looking for.

Thank you :smile:! Makes sense. Now if i want to find the rocket's distance from EARTH'S SURFACE, would I just subtract the radius of the Earth from the answer i get above?

Thanks again!
 
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Right on the subtraction.
Most welcome and good luck on the next one.
 

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