Lavoisier's Law of conservation of mass

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Lavoisier's Law of conservation of mass, particularly in the context of time travel and its implications on conservation laws. Participants explore the original quote regarding the conservation of mass and energy, while also considering how these principles apply to non-isolated systems like those involving time travel.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks the original quote regarding the conservation of mass and energy, indicating a desire to incorporate it into a narrative about time travel.
  • Another participant provides the quote "Rien ne se perd, rien ne se crée, tout se transforme," referencing its source as Wikipedia.
  • A participant emphasizes that conservation laws apply only to isolated systems, suggesting that time machines, which can interact with their environment, may challenge these laws.
  • There is a proposal that if time machines must adhere to conservation laws, they would need to transport all conserved quantities equally in both directions, presenting a potential narrative limitation.
  • The inclusion of the second law of thermodynamics is mentioned as an additional complexity for the story's premise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of conservation laws in the context of time travel, with multiple competing views on how these laws should be interpreted and applied.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that conservation laws are limited to isolated systems, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of time travel on these laws. There are also references to the complexities introduced by the second law of thermodynamics.

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Hi, I'm writing a short story which addresses an issue in time travel that I don't really see getting addressed, and I was wondering where I could find the original quote where it is written that mass or energy can neither be created nor destroyed? I'm aware the original won't be in English, I'll provide a translation underneath, but it will preface the story.
 
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Thank you! Which Wikipedia page did you find this on by the way?
 
One about a 400 year old chem textbook ; hang on... here.
 
JGHunter said:
I'm writing a short story which addresses an issue in time travel that I don't really see getting addressed, and I was wondering where I could find the original quote where it is written that mass or energy can neither be created nor destroyed?

Keep in mind that conservation laws are limited to isolated systems and a system that can be left or entered (e.g. with a time machine) is not really isolated. If you just define that time machines must comply with conservation laws than they need to transport all involved conserved quantities in equal amounts in both directions. That would be a strong limitation that could be quite interesting for the story. Including the second law of thermodynamics would make it even more challenging.
 
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