Learning Calculus: What's the Right Order?

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The discussion revolves around the appropriate order for learning calculus, particularly in relation to the use of Spivak's book and foundational mathematical concepts. Participants share their experiences and suggest resources for beginners, addressing both theoretical understanding and practical application.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their understanding of integers and integrals, questioning whether they should read Spivak's book first.
  • Another participant clarifies the difference between "integral" and "integer," highlighting the importance of understanding basic concepts before advancing.
  • A different participant suggests that if one does not know what an integer is, Spivak may be too challenging and recommends starting with a book like "Basic Mathematics" by Lang.
  • One participant shares their negative experience with Spivak, stating it was too difficult for them as a beginner and recommends using "Calculus Early Transcendentals" by Stewart instead.
  • A participant explains the concept of integrals, describing them as limits of Riemann sums and mentioning the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to learning calculus. Some believe foundational knowledge is essential before tackling Spivak, while others suggest that Spivak may still be accessible with the right mindset.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the prerequisites for understanding calculus and the varying difficulty levels of different textbooks. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the suitability of Spivak for beginners.

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I bought Spivaks book on calculus, and also "how to prove it". I am just doing this for fun, not for school.

On an old thread I remember reading I should learn to do proofs first before moving on to Spivak. I won't be doing this for a few months because I am busy studying for CFA exam, but I just flipped through how to prove it, and on page 2 it starts talking about intergers. I don't know what an interger is (Well I know its the area under a curve but that's about it). Should I read Spivak first?
 
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Do you mean "integral" (as in area under a curve) or "integer" (as in 0,1,-1,2,-2,...)?
 
Kinda worries me if you're moving on to calculus without knowing what an integer is :p.
 
If you don't know what an integer is, then I think that Spivak will be a bit too difficult for you.

Why don't you first get a good book like "basic mathematics" by Lang and work through that?
 
I meant integral not interger. Whoops
 
CuriousBanker said:
I meant integral not interger. Whoops

An integral is a limit of Riemann sums. A Riemann sum is a height x width. Let's say you want to find the area under x^2 from 0 to 2.. A very crude estimate would be 4x2 (a single box). If you do two boxes, width 1, you get 1x1+4x1=5. A better estimate. Then 3, 4, 5, and so on. An INTEGRAL is where you take the limit as the number of boxes approaches infinity.

You get a cool theorem called the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus that helps you evaluate them.
 
I bought the Spivak book just before I started Calculus I so that I could 'prepare'. Huge mistake. I understood very little and to be quite honest, it made me fear what was about to come. I'm now taking Calc III and still won't go back to Spivak because of my earlier experiences with it.

If you're just starting then I think it may be a bit too difficult to use as a learning tool. I'm using a book called Calculus Early Transcendentals (Stewart) and it's quite good.
 

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