Left-over AC voltage in a half-wave rectifier

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The discussion revolves around understanding the formula for the left-over AC voltage in a half-wave rectifier, specifically the equation V_{out(AC)} ≈ (0.385)(V_m - V_{th}). Participants are exploring the context of this formula, including the definitions of Vm and Vth, and the derivation of the formula itself.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning whether Vm refers to the peak input voltage or the peak secondary voltage. There is speculation about the derivation of the formula, with suggestions that it may involve Fourier series analysis of the rectified signal. Some participants express a desire for clarification from the professor regarding the specifics of the formula.

Discussion Status

The discussion has led to some productive exchanges, with participants clarifying the relationship between the secondary peak voltage and the formula. There is acknowledgment of the need for more specificity in the professor's explanation, and some participants have taken steps to seek clarification directly from the professor.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of terms used in the formula, particularly Vm and Vth. Additionally, the lack of detailed explanation from the professor regarding the derivation of the formula is noted as a point of concern among participants.

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Homework Statement



My professor gave us a formula for the left-over output AC voltage in a half-wave rectifier. This formula was given without any calculus or explanation as to how it was obtained.

Homework Equations



[tex]V_{out(AC)}\simeq (0.385)(V_m-V_{th})[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know if Vm is the peak input voltage or the peak secondary voltage (see image below). I do know that Vth is the threshold voltage of a diode; 0.7V for Silicon and 0.3V for Germanium.

half-wave-rectifier.JPG


Does anybody know how this formula was obtained? I don't have any information in my textbook on it and I've read the chapters twice.
 
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Vm is most likely the secondary voltage that's being rectified. If I had to guess, I'd suggest that the formula would come from some tinkering with the Fourier series of the rectified signal. One can pull out the DC component and the various AC harmonics...
 
Thank you gneill. Next time I see the professor I'll ask him about this.
 
FYI, curiosity overcame me this morning so I took the Fourier series of an ideal half-rectified sinewave and extracted the total RMS AC component of the signal. I found an exact expression for the constant:

##\frac{\sqrt{\pi^2 - 4}}{2 \pi} ≈ 0.385589...##
 
So if a transformer were to be involved, this RMS AC voltage would be based on the *secondary* peak voltage, not the primary peak voltage, right?

My professor didn't say whether the AC was peak or RMS but you have clarified that. Thank you. I'm going to have a discussion about the lack of specificity in this class.
 
JJBladester said:
So if a transformer were to be involved, this RMS AC voltage would be based on the *secondary* peak voltage, not the primary peak voltage, right?
Yes, it has to be the secondary peak voltage since the formula subtracts the diode drop which occurs in the secondary circuit.
My professor didn't say whether the AC was peak or RMS but you have clarified that. Thank you. I'm going to have a discussion about the lack of specificity in this class.
Good luck with that :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
Back from class. The teacher let me grab the chalk and draw a tranformer hooked up to a rectifier circuit. I explained my confusion and he confirmed that his formula relates to the secondary peak voltage. I've gotten more help from Physics Forums than my expensive college courses. Thanks yet again.
 

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